Buzsaw Biblical Universe Origin Hypothesis vs Singularity Universe Origin Theory

In msg 50 of the Big Bang & Absolute Zero thread I cited what I see as four problematic factors relative to what we will call for the purpose of this thread Singularity Universe Origin Theory (SUOT).Percy suggested I open a new proposed topic for discussion and debate relative to these cited factors.I decided the best approach would be to pit the SUOT vs what we will call the Buzsaw Biblical Universe Origin Hypothesis BBUOH for the purpose of this thread.The BBUOH is as follows:1. The universe (everything existing) including it's designer, Jehovah, the Biblical god have eternally existed, Jehovah being the omnipotent source, manager and supreme majesty of all of the universe and the energy of it.2. As per 1LoT the amount of the universe's energy has never increased or decreased. The amount of the universe's energy has always been the same, in, by and through Jehovah the Biblical god.3. Jehovah has forever been creating, destroying and managing things in the universe according to his own plan and purpose effecting variable states of equilibrium between himself and creation through work. Energy emits from him and sustains his omnipotency as it is emitted from him through work and as it returns to him from what he has created in manifold ways.4. What Jehovah has created in the universe tends to run down without energy to sustain/empower it as effected through varied means by Jehovah.5. The BBUOH satisfies all of the scientific LoT which is observed in the universe.Buzsaw's msg 50 of the Big Bang & Absolute Zero thread : Abe: For the purpose of this thread designate SUOT in place of absolute zero.Perhaps BB & The Cosmos or Biblical Accuracy & Inerrancy forums for this thread? Any other suggestions? Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted in context.Edited by Buzsaw, : change wording

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

How about Social Issues and Creation/Evolution or Faith and Belief?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Is SUOT falsifiable. If it is, I see these problems as falsifying the SUOT model according to observable science laws.If it is not falsifiable I see it no more [abe: scientific] than the BBUOH Model. Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted in context

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Son Goku. Thanks for weighing in here. 1. Why do you use the term/word origins/plural? Did the expansion have an origin by definition?2. If the expansion originated but the origin is unknown can the origination of the expansion be falsified?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Rrhain:1. If there was no place/area for the expansion to exist, how could it create itself?2. If the expansion created itself, where did the energy come from to create itself if there was no before?3. If the above questions are unanswerable, doesn't that make the expansion unfalsifiable?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. My understanding of 2LoT there is no time limit for the application of work to entropy.2. My understanding of 2LoT is that work can decrease entropy.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Thanks for the forthright answer without being condescending, Son Goku. You are a great asset to EvC. May God bless you for that. The three unknowns relative to the expansion appear to confirm my claim that the expansion is no more falsifiable than the BBUOH since:1. The origin of neither can be falsified.
2. The means of neither can be falsified.
3. The age of neither can be falsified.Both your science theory and my hypothesis factor in cosmos expansion. The difference in my understanding of expanding heavens is due to the difference in how we define space. My definition of space is unbounded area in which everything exists including particles, photons, gravity; everything.Imo, the area/space does not have properties capable of expansion. Rather via work, ID increases or decreases the distance between things in the universe according to the plans and purposes of the designer/manager of the universe.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

FYO my classroom education amounted to a high school diploma and three semesters at Bob Jones University. That does not mean my ongoing education ended there. At 72 I stop learning when my mind fails or when I die. Imo the more relevant thing we need from you is for you to address the specific items which I've posed in this thread. If you think math is required for any particular statement of mine, please explain in detail specifically why math is required for a reasonable response to it.Gratefully, unlike some of you people, Son Goku has forthrightly responded to points which I've raised. I suggest you and others consider his model in addressing my points.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Content deleted after reading Admin admonitionEdited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

But the rest of you's theory has been shown to have an unfalsifyable origin. Like me, the rest of you can only account for what you think is observable. By work of the omnipotent designer as I've already explained if you would bother to read it. Blah, blah, blah is my only response to this without going back to see which I'm not inclined to do at this time.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Since you have no theory or hypothesis before T=10-43, how can T=10-43 be falsifyable? Doesn't 10-43 require a T=0? If it does, isn't T=0 unfalsifiable?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Please educate me. What part of 2LoT requires analyzation of the work being done or by whom?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi ICant. I've learned a lot from this thread. For example, I've learned from SonGoku that my thread title is in error in that the origin of the singularity is unknown, therefore rendering SUOT erroneous.I've also concluded that my BBEUOH is in error in that something eternal has had no origin.Better terms would be Buzsaw Biblical Eternal Universe versus Expansionist Temporal Universe, i.e. BBEU vs ETU

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

OK then, what is the mechanism of your alleged abiogenesis? Yours is itdiditself: mine is Goddidit. Which is falsifyable?What is your hypothesis of the mechanism that allegedly brought the universe into being and what formed the heavens. Yours is itdiditself: mine is it is eternal and Goddidit. Mine was effected by work as per 2LTD. Yours allegedly came about counter to the basic tenants of the TDLs so far as I can see.I see neither as falsifyable. The discussion was relative to 2LOT, was it not?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

But your starting point relative to the number 10-43 which is zero is unfalsifyable. Whether there was ever a zero is unknown. You have no sure knowledge of what came before your alleged T=10-43. Your implied (and widely verbalized in science) statement is that the unified forces of the universe approached T=10-43, progressing from T=0 within a few seconds, is it not?Therefore T=10-43 which is the beginning point of your alleged theory of expansion appears to be unfalsifyable.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.