Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes:
Nobody seriously believes the stars are innumerable.
If I remember correctly you told me that the pea sized universe that began to expand was like a balloon with ants or dots on it. If expansion is true the universe had to expand in all directions equally.
How wide is the universe? If I remember correctly the last time Percy pointed this # out to me about 3 months ago Wikipedia had 74 billion light years across. It is currently stating 93 billion light years across. That is what is visible today.
ABE I did not remember correctly it was 92 billion light years wide.
The latest estimates says that the universe is at least 156 billion light years wide.
I will use Percy's numbers. If someone with the same equipment as we have was 46 billion light years (1/2 of 74) in forward of our position, what would he be able to see?
If the balloon analogy is correct He should be able to see 46 billion light years forward.
If this was repeated approximately 289 times the person at position 289 should be able to see the point we are at.
If that was the case the balloon would have an area of 6,647 billion square light years.
I think the stars in that area would approach being innumerable.
If it is 156 billion light years wide it would have an area of 19,113 billion square light years.
Rahvin writes:
Again, you're making a huge leap in assuming that the flowery language and poetry of the Bible somehow correspond to scicne,
especially in light of how many things the Bible gets flat wrong.
How about we deal with the items presented, instead of what you think is flat wrong. Unless you want to present them.
Isaiah 45:12 "even my hands have stretched out the heavens." Also Jeremiah 10:12 says "he (God) hath stretched out the heavens by His discretion.
Lots of flowers in that, but I can't find the poetry.
Rahvin writes:
Biblical prophecies don't bear any resemblance to an actual red-giant type of event. They refer to what could conceivably be nuclear war or volcanic eruptions of meteor impacts.
2Pet 3:10 (KJV) b. the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Don't sound like nuclear war or volcanic eruptions of meteor impacts to me. Looks like it disappears in a ball of fire to me.
There ain't no flowers or poetry there.
Rahvin writes:
I'm not even sure of the passage you're referring to with this one.
(KJV)Jude 1:13 wandering stars, to who is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
I called attention to a particular star called outcast that is leaving the Milky Way traveling at 1.5 million mph.
Rahvin writes:
There are many reasons stars go dark, ICANT. Black holes would be one of them. But again, stoneage observers can notice that they can't find a given star for any number of reasons
But I was not giving reasons for them going dark. I was asking for references or books from the other deities that told us there was wandering stars that would go dark forever.
What giant leap in: "to who is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever"? What flowery words, or poetry?
Rahvin writes:
Once again with the massive logical leaps.
Please explain the leaps in this.
Reve 11:8 (KJV) And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
That says these dead bodies will lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days. It says the kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies. It also says they that dwell earth shall see them and rejoice over them.
This was not possible until the TV Satellite system was in place. It is now possible as I watched the Gulf War on CNN.
Rahvin writes:
trying to smash the evidence to fit your pre-made conclusions.
You are the only one doing any smashing here. I gave you point blank statements from the Bible. There is no poetry there and there is no flowerly language.
I will ignore all your other rants for the time being.
God Bless,
Edited by ICANT, : To correct universe width attributed to Percy.
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