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Author Topic:   Buzsaw Biblical Universe Origin Hypothesis vs Singularity Universe Origin Theory
molbiogirl
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Message 43 of 301 (464975)
05-01-2008 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Rahvin
05-01-2008 1:37 PM


Re: Re-NitPick
I'm not even sure of the passage you're referring to with this one. But then, the planets look like stars from Earth without telescopes, and they "wander." Hell the night sky rotates seasonally due to the changing perspective from Earth. Your particular religion is hardly the only group to have noticed this - there were entire belief systems arranged from observations of stellar movement.
Once again you imply "the Bible knew it first." Once again, you're wrong. As usual.
Rahvin. I just want to back you up on this one.
I haven't any idea what ICANT's talking about either, but he's not the only one making an asinine assertion of this magnitude re: stars.
There's a girl on CARM arguing -- with all seriousness -- that there are no planets, only stars. Because the bible said so.
It appears that evolutionists don't how stars generate light because they laughed at me when I said that scientists claim that stars reflect light. So I though I'd illuminate them. (Forgive the pun).
How do you know? Afterall, pluto isn't considered a planet any more. So what defines a planet as opposed to a star? So sorry, until we visit stars, scientists no more know what they're made of than they know how many stars there are in the universe. All we know is that the light from all of them is the same.
How do you know? Sorry, but the sun looks a lot different than any star. The light from the stars looks exactly the same as the light from Mars. So scientists are wrong again, as usual.
Sorry but whether or not you call a planet a star or not, it still gives off light. So again, where does the light come from? And evasions & attacks will be ignored.
So when astronomers look into their telescopes, do they see balls of fire in the sky far away? Sorry ergaster, but there's no way to prove that the stars generate their own light. It's all speculation. And that's why the astronauts looked for signs of life on the moon and on Mars. Because they didn't know what they were made of until they got there. And it's the same with the stars.
So again, which science do you put your faith in? Today's science or tomorrow's science that corrects today's science? Or how about the scientists of the future who correct tomorrow's science?
So because scientists change their minds all the time, then those who believe them will look as foolish as they do. But God's truth never changes. Never.
God supports my theory and he's the only one who matters. The problem is that humans are subject to influence by Satan which is why no human is omniscient.
So I rely on God's word for the truth. And God said nothing about planets. In Genesis he said he craeted the stars, sun, and moon, to give light to the earth. So giving stars names like planets and planetoids is no different than naming one's children. It still doesn't change the make-up of the stars nor where they receive their light.
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molbiogirl
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Message 48 of 301 (464999)
05-01-2008 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by ICANT
05-01-2008 7:19 PM


Ask and ye shall receive.
I was asking for references or books from the other deities that told us there was wandering stars that would go dark forever.
Looks like Mohammed heard some secrets from god he didn't see fit to divulge to you xians.
A new star forming out of a cloud of gas and dust (nebula), which is one of the remnants of the "smoke" that was the origin of the whole universe. (The Space Atlas, Heather and Henbest, page 50)
Allah Almighty said: "Then He turned to the heaven when it was smoke...(The Noble Quran, 41:11)
Allah Almighty Said: "And when the heaven splitteth asunder and becometh ROSY LIKE PAINT - (The Noble Quran, 55:37)"
What Allah Almighty is Saying here is that when Galaxies explode, they form a rose-shaped explosion. He is also telling us that the Universe will all turn into exploded galaxies looking like roses when the Day of Judgment happens.
See the COUNTLESS pictures of exploded galaxies that look like roses.
# The Miracle of the Rain, Thunder and Electrical "fertilization" caused by winds in the Noble Quran!
1. Audio file.
2. Video file 1.
# The moon's S-shaped orbit around earth is shaped like a branch of a date tree, mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science!
# Time and the Speed of Light precisely calculated and mentioned in the Noble Quran.
# The sun rays that we see during the day are different from the ones seen in space!
1. The skinning of the day from the night Miracle.
# If the Noble Quran says the earth is "egg-shaped" through a Notion, then why couldn't Prophet Muhammad just say it clear in plain Arabic?
1. Video file.
2. The Motion of Earth in the Noble Quran.
# The Ozone layer is a protective ceiling to earth.
# The Ozone layer is able to heal itself from damage - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by science!
# The Ozone layer is raised to balance air pressure and temperature - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by science!
# The explosion of galaxies are shaped like roses - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science. Countless pictures of exploded galaxies that look like roses are provided in the article.
# The universe originated from smoke.
# The formation of milk from blood and FARTH (digested food's material) - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science!
# Mountains prevent the earth from shaking while rotating around its own axle.
# The 7 layers of earth and iron was sent down from space.
# Honey was proven to be a healing medicine for humans.
# The breathing cycle during the day on planet earth by the plants, humans and animals - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science!
# Lack of Oxygen and painful low pressure in space. Science confirmed the Noble Quran's Divine Claim.
1. Video file.
2. Audio file.
# Iron was sent down from space.
1. Audio file.
2. Video file 1.
3. Video file 2.
# The Big Bang Theory and the Cosmic Crunch in the Noble Quran.
# The Universe is "expanding" according to the Noble Quran. Scientists already proved this claim to be true.
# Darkness in the seas and internal waves in the Noble Quran, confirmed by science.
# The Noble Quran on Human Embryonic Development.
1. Video file 1.
2. Video file 2.
3. Video file 3.
4. Video file 4
5. Text article with ample pictures and quotes.
# The human DNA being 99% the same, and the DNA of the pigs and monkeys being very close ours are directly supported in the Noble Quran.
# Water on earth shall vanish - mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by Science!
# The bringing forth of the earth's waters (oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, etc...) after the expansion of the planet earth. A new scientific video, from a Western scientist, confirms the stunning Scientific Miracle in Noble Verses 79:30-32 regarding Allah Almighty bringing forth the waters (oceans, seas, lakes, rivers, etc...) after He expanded the earth. Scientists have proven that our planet earth, indeed, was at one point all covered with land with shallow and limited bodies of water. The vast bodies of water that we have today, where water today covers more than 70% of the entire globe, happened after the expansion of the earth -- precisely as Allah Almighty mentioned in the Noble Quran. Scientists have only recently confirmed it!
# The cracking of the moon mentioned in the Noble Quran and confirmed by science!
1. Images of the moon's fault line (crack).
Should you wish to view THE TRUTH the audio and video files can be found here.

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molbiogirl
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Message 52 of 301 (465005)
05-01-2008 10:04 PM
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05-01-2008 9:08 PM


Re: Ask and ye shall receive.
I know what Mohammed said. But since he was about 600 years after Jesus and contradicts a lot Jesus taught I don't trust him.
Well. If it's a matter of chronology, howzabout some Vedic chronicles, hm?
It's not exactly prophecy, but it sure holds up better:
Indian mathematics”which here is the mathematics that emerged in South Asia[1] from ancient times until the end of the 18th century”had its beginnings in the Bronze Age Indus Valley civilization (2600-1900 BCE) and the Iron Age Vedic culture (1500-500 BCE). In the classical period of Indian mathematics (400 CE to 1200 CE), important contributions were made by scholars like Aryabhatta, Brahmagupta, and Bhaskara II. Indian mathematicians made early contributions to the study of the decimal number system,[2] zero,[3] negative numbers,[4] arithmetic, and algebra.
FYI. BCE = before xian era.
But why monkey around with somethng as trivial as algebra, hm?
Let's get to the good stuff.
One certain source of scientific knowledge is Vedas, the ancient Hindu scriptures, written in the ancient and sophisticated language of Sanskrit. Many other Sanskrit scriptures and ancient books from other parts of the world and in other languages may contain advanced scientific knowledge.
In the early part of this century, two opposing theories about the origin of the universe were postulated. (1) The Steady State theory, which says the universe is never born, never dies, and is always like what it is. (2) The Big bang theory, which says the universe began with a point of energy exploding in a "big-bang". All the matter came into being from energy continuously expanding and changing form. Ultimately the expansion will stop and it will start contracting, ending into nothingness with a "big-crunch". What is before big-bang or after big crunch, the theory doesn’t know.
In reality, both the theories are correct. The universe begins from a point with a bang and ends in a point with a crunch. This duration we call one Kalpa (cosmos) or Brahma Diwas (eternal day). It is preceded and succeeded by an equal period during which matter lies in a dormant, inert state and that is called a Brahma Ratri i.e. a divine night (for the nature that sleeps as it were). All the souls also remain in a dormant state, a sort of hibernation, during this period. The evolution of cosmos from dormant state may be called a ”creation’ or ”srishti’, and its involution back into inert state is called dissolution (pralaya). As days and nights succeed each other, so do cosmos and divine nights in this eternal sinusoidal cycle of evolutions and involutions 3 (Figure 1).
All matter, i.e. nature, has three basic attributes/forces - satva, rajasa and tamasa. During brahma ratri, these forces remain in a balanced state. After the big bang, the three forces get realigned to form elementary particles called Mahat or Aapah, which combine further to form other basic particles, atoms and so on.
Page not found - WORLD MYSTERIES
There's plenty more where that came from.
Or is there some criteria other than age?

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molbiogirl
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Message 60 of 301 (465015)
05-01-2008 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by ICANT
05-01-2008 10:52 PM


Re: Ask and ye shall receive.
What makes you think I got a problem with that?
If you haven't any problem with Vedic prophecies which preceded xianity, why do you have problems with Islamic prophecies which followed xianity?

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molbiogirl
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Message 61 of 301 (465017)
05-01-2008 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by lyx2no
05-01-2008 11:00 PM


Re: Origin
Have you concluded my middle name yet?
Today, I picked up a cabbage in the produce department of my local supermarket and put it into a plastic bag. Next, I brought it over to the scale to weigh it out for a price sticker. It weighed out at 2.47 lb. at $1.29 per lb. for a total cost of $3.19. I placed the price sticker on the bag I had put the cabbage into and carried it up to the . Wait . let me start over. I forgot to tell you how I got into the supermarket.
Da-amn, boy. You keep knocking them out of the park.
It's a pity you are wasting your brilliance on ICANT.

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molbiogirl
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Message 64 of 301 (465021)
05-02-2008 12:20 AM
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05-02-2008 12:11 AM


Re: Ask and ye shall receive.
Answer the question.

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molbiogirl
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Message 90 of 301 (465081)
05-02-2008 7:54 PM
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05-02-2008 12:11 AM


Re: Ask and ye shall receive.
Are you afraid to answer the question or are you unable to answer the question?

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molbiogirl
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Message 93 of 301 (465093)
05-02-2008 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by ICANT
05-02-2008 8:27 PM


Re: Ask and ye shall receive.
No. You didn't.
To repeat:
If you haven't any problem with Vedic prophecies which preceded xianity, why do you have problems with Islamic prophecies which followed xianity?
You dismissed Muslim prophecies that were "confirmed" by science because ...
I know what Mohammed said. But since he was about 600 years after Jesus and contradicts a lot Jesus taught I don't trust him.
You specifically asked for evidence that "other deities" made scientific predictions. Message 44.
I was asking for references or books from the other deities that told us there was wandering stars that would go dark forever.
I provided not one but two examples.
Answer my question.

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