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Author Topic:   The Universal Moral Law & Devolution since the Fall
Phat
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Message 7 of 189 (348052)
09-11-2006 6:22 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Archer Opteryx
09-11-2006 6:04 AM


Jesus! I've Fallen and I Can't Get Up!
Archer writes:
I understand the theology behind this rhetorical flourish, but it's not really an accurate statement of Christian practice. And that's good. In practice Christians know they have an obligation to obey moral laws just like anyone else. Having a savior doesn't free them from this obligation to behave; it just offers overdraft protection for the times they come up short.
Overdraft protection? Thats a new way of putting it!
My argument is that humanity may not be the victims of a Fall, but then I see certain facts (or facts as I interpret them) and often wonder what the long range outlook really is.
  • It seems that the human condition has always had wars and killing. We never seem to evolve out of it. At its source---the murder scene of any number of murders in any city---one can observe as barbaric of actions as ever was committed by any individual. Same goes with the battlefield. Hi Tech weaponery hides the fact that bodies are being blown to bits at an even more lethal rate than anything the machine gun could do in WW I.
    About the only encouraging statistic is that less American soldiers die these days than died in WWI and WW II.
    Im waundering....
    But to summarize, I see no evidence that human behavior is getting any better.
    We not have fallen, but we certainly arn't getting up!
    Edited by Phat, : punctuation

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    Phat
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    Message 140 of 189 (349952)
    09-18-2006 11:00 AM
    Reply to: Message 137 by Archer Opteryx
    09-18-2006 6:02 AM


    Re: two trees.
    Of course, one reason why the Tree of Life was off limits to A & E is because had they lived forever once they knew evil, they would have been eternally unable (and at that moment unwilling) to change.
    Death brings out the humility in people.

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    Phat
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    Message 162 of 189 (350624)
    09-20-2006 9:12 AM
    Reply to: Message 161 by ReverendDG
    09-20-2006 7:58 AM


    Myths and Reality
    If every single story is a myth, that would suggest that humans are the only source of wisdom and guidance unto themselves.
    To believe in a story as other than a myth is to believe that human reality is in contact with wisdom that is not human. (or is superhuman, or beyond mere human)
    What do you think, DG? Do you think that it is possible that moral law transcends human fallibility?
    Why would humans invent a story about a standard that we never could reach?
    Why does the solution involve God pulling us out of the fire at the moment of our surrender to helplessness?

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