Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
1 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,902 Year: 4,159/9,624 Month: 1,030/974 Week: 357/286 Day: 0/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   God and the blind Tailors
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4745 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 14 of 135 (513443)
06-28-2009 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by RevCrossHugger
06-28-2009 8:05 PM


Welcome RevCrossHugger
If you look in the lower right hand corner of each post you will see a little "reply" button. By clicking on that instead of the "Gen Reply" button at the top or bottom of each page you'll make a direct link to the person to whom you are replying, and, as an added benefit, you'll get a copy of the post you are replying to right below your white response space.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Thomas Jefferson

This message is a reply to:
 Message 13 by RevCrossHugger, posted 06-28-2009 8:05 PM RevCrossHugger has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 16 by RevCrossHugger, posted 06-28-2009 8:30 PM lyx2no has replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4745 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 18 of 135 (513450)
06-28-2009 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by RevCrossHugger
06-28-2009 8:30 PM


Oh, Ye of so Little Faith
It seems to have worked to me. I have you listed as responding to my post 14, and below you responded to purpledawn's post 10. You're doing fine. Have faith.
Edited by lyx2no, : Add "dig" title.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Thomas Jefferson

This message is a reply to:
 Message 16 by RevCrossHugger, posted 06-28-2009 8:30 PM RevCrossHugger has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 19 by RevCrossHugger, posted 06-28-2009 8:56 PM lyx2no has replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4745 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 20 of 135 (513455)
06-28-2009 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by RevCrossHugger
06-28-2009 8:56 PM


Re: Oh, Ye of so Little Faith
RCH writes:
Oh in the other forums when I use the reply function quote tags are automatically placed around the block of font.
Yeah! And that gets to be a real mess. Here you won't be repeating the entire message that you're responding to in the reply space. The post you wish to reply to will show below the reply space, and you can cut and paste from there. Only quoting the bits you actually want to respond to is much tidier.
Try this: [qs=RCH] Oh in the other forums when I use the reply function quote tags are automatically placed around the block of font.[/qs] and you get what I got above.
Also take note that admin has directed you to some helpful spots.
But yes, keep using the "reply". It does help. Thanks
Edited by lyx2no, : More info.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added link to my "bump" at a "Practice Makes Perfect" topic.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Thomas Jefferson

This message is a reply to:
 Message 19 by RevCrossHugger, posted 06-28-2009 8:56 PM RevCrossHugger has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 22 by RevCrossHugger, posted 06-29-2009 5:35 AM lyx2no has not replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4745 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 110 of 135 (517055)
07-29-2009 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by RevCrossHugger
07-29-2009 6:27 AM


Re: Good Work DA
Slander is a criminal offense eh?
Actually, it's a civil offense. That's why one sues over it. It's also an offense that can not be done in writing. I'd have thunk a college graduate would know that.
I have received quite a few grants from uncle sam (thank you taxpayers) to support my lively hood and feed the poor as well as assist them in receiving federal aid.
You are a lively hood, now aren't you?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Thomas Jefferson

This message is a reply to:
 Message 108 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 6:27 AM RevCrossHugger has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 112 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 11:05 AM lyx2no has replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4745 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 121 of 135 (517096)
07-29-2009 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by RevCrossHugger
07-29-2009 11:05 AM


Re: Good Work DA
Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But a new remedy was introduced with the extension of the criminal law, ... The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
I know because I sue. If damages are incurred its different as well.
There are a number of jurisdictions that allow for criminal prosecution for lible, but niether you nor DA live in any of them.
I wouldn't sue for for anything said here for several reasons.
I hope one of of them is you don't like lawyers laughing you out of their offices.
I am just getting tired of the personal BS, that's all .
Don't use your personal qualifications as an argument from authority cudge and you'll find it happens a lot less.
Philosophy yes law no Theology yes law no...see simple..Of course you more than likley will try to make something out of it.
I tried to make something out of that but was unsuccessful. Dude, how did you edit that post six time and still produce that thing.
AbE:
Its useless tripe and only serves to flame the hate.
Hate has taken the form of me giggling and peeing my pants.
Edited by lyx2no, : Edit for the next post.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Thomas Jefferson

This message is a reply to:
 Message 112 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 11:05 AM RevCrossHugger has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 122 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 1:23 PM lyx2no has not replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4745 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 126 of 135 (517141)
07-29-2009 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by RevCrossHugger
07-29-2009 7:54 PM


Wheels Within Wheels
Its simply a tool for visualizing a difficult concept.
Or it's another rationalization forced upon you because of your inability to accept that folks make up gods a the drop of a hat without consulting each other.
Well that is what you would expect from the many source descriptions of God.
It's what I would expect if the object under consideration was fictitious. I've never heard anyone describe the moon as cubic or tetrahedral.
Some Buddhism 'sects' have supernatural aspects to their religion some may not. Of course if they do not worship any God at all I feel that those tailors are making God parade around in a very ill fitting suit! . I personally feel that a non spiritual non deity ”religion’ is about as incorrect as one can get, and of course with all due respect to atheism & to any atheists here, all forms of atheism is the most wrong of all, with hard or strong atheism making no suit at all! partial levity again guys> .
Firstly, there's really no reason to titter. Very few atheists have an emotional attachment to their simple non belief in a god. How upset would you get if someone told you you were wrong about the Tooth Fairy being made up? No one cares so long as you don't have the force of law to insist.
Secondly, you've made no progress at all in explaining why you are right and everyone else is wrong. Your feeling so isn't one of the more impressive theses exhibited on this board in the last 24 hours. You've SO running against you.
Due to several reasons a mono-god seems most probable (not statistically probable).
Are any of those reasons unrelated to what your mommy and daddy told you when you were growing up?
My art student example would be like this; I would instruct my students to paint a image of the creator of everything. If God exists some of the paintings etc would be more accurate than others (if God had a form that could be expressed in a temporal universe).
Your analogies are not so difficult to follow that you need to keep explaining them. They are not misunderstood: they are rejected. Your analogy say nothing more then "My image of god is the right one, and people who agree with me have the right idea too. Others, not so much. But that just means I've had better access to god, but they still love the same god." Handy for you to have a ministry to to update them.
No, but I could say 'your painting is way off God looks nothing like that'. Of course my critique would only be valid if I knew what God looked like. That is precisely why I never say my painting is correct and yours is wrong to an accuracy of 100%. I would say rather 'my beliefs lead me to believe that my painting is more accurate, do you want to know why?', which I am sure makes some people happy and a few people not so happy.
How could you type that without cringing? If you don't know what god looks like, how can you say anything? If I draw a picture of some random person from the phone book, do you think you'd be in a position to say it doesn't look like them?
However I use many evidences that some other religions may not have at their disposal. Also I use some of the sciences (archeology and astronomy for example).
Ever hear the expression "Cut to the chase."? This would be the important bit around here. Screw the personal experience. How have you not caught on to that simple principle?
Because their religious books texts and beliefs seem less credible when taken as a whole.
The Bible is piss your pants funny if your not disposed to excusing every last, dim witted misadventure. Few of the stories in the Bible are more sophisticated than Marvel Comics.
its simply that they are two different disciplines.
NOMA fails miserably as soon a religion make a claim in the real world.
As per the KCA nothing begins to exist without a cause, and that cause in my opinion was God. So, in my world its more reasonable to assume that there is a creator.
and
The KCA is a pretty good objective evidence. However there is no empirical way to prove God exists to my knowledge.
KCA is a joke. It's putting a fancy name on a silly rationalization. Ignorance should not be an excuse to say anything but a reason to say nothing. It is not possible for something to be both objective and non empirical.
One creator/God is the most simple explanation and therefore the best choice as per Ockham's razor.
Not when you have thousands of mutually exclusive descriptions. Then it is more parsimonious to assume separate causes. Parsimony still requires one to take all the fact into account. That there is no real world evidence of magic combined with the knowledge that people pick answers a through d rather than answer "e: none of the above" no creator/god is even more parsimonious.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Note: Suspended, in part because of incivility in this message

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Thomas Jefferson

This message is a reply to:
 Message 125 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 7:54 PM RevCrossHugger has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 127 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 10:28 PM lyx2no has replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4745 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 129 of 135 (517148)
07-29-2009 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by RevCrossHugger
07-29-2009 10:28 PM


Re: Wheels Within Wheels
Wrong. I said that people DO make up gods easily. In fact that was the bulk of my response. However out of these fabrications only one I suspect is true.
Have you abandoned your position that we all describe the same god then? A fictitious god can't be the same god as the real one can it?
As I said above the descriptions are fictitious, so we agree. Some are more accurate than others. That was what I said.
Are the descriptions ficticious or the gods? Which are they making up?
The first sentence was a bit off topic but not too bad, but I will attempt to answer anyway. Speak for yourself. I have experience debating atheists and many are very very touchy about their simple non belief in a god.
You can attempt to bite me too. Why not leave moderation to the moderators. I'd be more prone to believe that the atheist are annoyed with the way you speak as if you have your thumbs under your suspenders there, Mr. Brady. (Inherit the Wind, not the demented 70'd tv show.)
I didn’t say I was right and everything else is wrong. I said some is more accurate than others. If God exists that is probably correct.
Couching your statements in uncertainty doesn't change the question much. You're not merely asserting that some are more accurate than others; you're asserting that you've cause to believe that yours is not only more accurate than theirs but accurate. You have yet to offer any reason that couldn't be used with equal validity by someone defending the FSM. Until such time you've said much about nothing.
That is off topic and this will be reported.
That Are any of those reasons unrelated to what your mommy and daddy told you when you were growing up? is likely one of the more on topic things I've said this week. Have you failed to notice that 99% of people grow up to espouse their parents beliefs. If you didn't notice that, it is likely you too have fallen into the same trap.
You could just present the scientific evidence that you've made claim to several time, you know? Then there would be something to debate other then your personal feelings.
AbE:
After some reconsideration and reporting for being somewhat off topic, I placed a disclaimer at the bottom of the thread (OFF TOPIC AGAIN) that read if you would delete your reply then remove the personal content and the off topic off color remark maybe we could work together and I would finish replying to your reply. Lets try to be civil and lose the snide remarks, it would benefit everyone at this forum.
Thanks in advance for your consideration ~
I say you should loosen your white belt, lower your plaid pant, pull your panties out of your crack, and get on with the evidence already. You're the one who keeps introducing your opps! My bad. I thought this was a science thread. Go on with whatever you were saying. I'll not interrupt again.
Edited by lyx2no, : Answer following post.
Edited by lyx2no, : Formating.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Note: Suspended, in part because of incivility in this message

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.
Thomas Jefferson

This message is a reply to:
 Message 127 by RevCrossHugger, posted 07-29-2009 10:28 PM RevCrossHugger has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024