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JonF
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Message 15 of 97 (184377)
02-10-2005 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by daaaaaBEAR
02-09-2005 8:43 PM


The evidence for an Ark on Mt. Ararat is sadly lacking.The site to which you linked (NoahsArkSearch.com) is probably the best Web resource on the subject. The site is pretty balanced but generally favorable to the idea that Noah's ark may have survived on Mt. Ararat, and contains lots of information and links about investigations. You should have noted that they conclude (on the "Overview" page):
quote:
Though there have been many claims of a discovery of Noah's Ark by alleged eyewitnesses and in recent books/films, there is no scientific proof, public photograph, or evidence of the survival or existence of Noah's Ark.
The major and most publicized investigator of such claims was the late Ron Wyatt (you posted a link to his site at http://www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark.htm, referering to it as "here's a archaelogical research site", which it is not; it's a propaganda site), and the discussions of what he found or claimed to have found are useful in understanding what kindd of evidence could be persuasive.
The site that Ron Wyatt investigated is an eroded syncline, a fairly common natural geologic feature that appears to be quite common in that area. Someone recently posted a link (in talk.origins) to an aerial photograph from that area that appeared to show several arks similar to the one Wyatt investigated or the one to which you provided a link (I can't find it right now, but I've asked for help locating it). See BOGUS "NOAH'S ARK" FROM TURKEY EXPOSED AS A COMMON GEOLOGIC STRUCTURE and note that the second author was a member of Wyatt's first expedition.
There is much confusion about how many different proposed Ark sites there are on Ararat, and which sites are discussed as different sites but really are the same site. In view of the prevalence of ark-like eroded synclines in the area, much more than a photograph would be required to establish a credible case for any site. (By the way, your statement that the intriguing anomaly " is not common to a mountain" needs some support. My surces indicate that synclines are quite common everywhere, and seem to be very common in the Araratr region).
Wyatt himself was, sorry to say, an incompetent fraud. See Wyatt Archeological Research Fraud Documentation.
The Institute for Creation Research and Answers in Genesis have both rejected Wyatt's claims. See THE SEARCH FOR NOAH'S ARK: STATUS 1992 and Special report: Amazing ‘Ark’ expos. No new evidence has been brought forth since then.

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JonF
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Message 18 of 97 (184527)
02-11-2005 8:24 AM
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02-10-2005 12:00 AM


Re: plurality
as for the picture: see Message 263
I fail to see the relevance of that picture to this particular discussion ...

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JonF
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Message 19 of 97 (184600)
02-11-2005 1:33 PM
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02-10-2005 12:13 AM


Re: too many arks
From memory I recall a picture showing a bunch of them. The formations are understood, they are not boats.
What's even more interesting is that this is from a rabidly creationist site.

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JonF
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Message 23 of 97 (196722)
04-04-2005 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by SonClad
04-04-2005 6:08 PM


Re: too many arks
Nobody's proposing that the waterr ran uphill. THe water continuously ran downhill as the land rose.
OTOH, there are plenty of features that are incompatible with relatively rapid formation by runof water:
Rapid runoff couldn't change direction by 180 degrees without leaving undercuts and other erosion on the outer wal of the bend.

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JonF
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Message 41 of 97 (196887)
04-05-2005 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by SonClad
04-04-2005 7:32 PM


Re: Noah's Ark?
Remember the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980?
Yes, and I've seen your errors many times before. Further discussion at Message 80.

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JonF
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Message 65 of 97 (197225)
04-06-2005 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by jar
04-05-2005 5:35 PM


Re: Anybodies Ark.
Well, let's wait and see if anyone ever finds any evidence that there ever was wooden structure high on some mountain. Once we find something, anything, then it's time to begin analyzing what we've found. But so far there is less evidence for the existence of an Ark then for the Yeti.
For whatever it's worth, Russian scientists have apparently weighed in on the non-Ark side:
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What were thought to be the remains of Noah’s Arc on Mount Ararat in modern-day Turkey were discovered to be natural formations by a group of Russian scientists.
Scientists from the Kosmopoisk Scientific Research Center announced Friday at a press conference that there were no remains of Noah’s Ark on the mountain, the Interfax news agency reported.
Everything that we saw, all the samples that we gathered testify to the fact that there is no Noah’s Arc on Ararat’s western slope, the news agency quoted Vadim Chernobrov, the center’s director, as saying.
At least after the volcanic eruption of 1840 that destroyed everything, including petrified wood, there can be no talk of the remains of a ship being preserved.
The expedition traveled to the western slope in the fall of 2004 and brought back video tapes and artifact samples. After a number of tests, the scientists discovered that the samples were the result of volcanic activity, and not the remains of Noah’s ship.
From Russian Scientists Say No Noah’s Arc on Mount Ararat.
I'd love to see the real report.

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