Just What is (and what is wrong with) Political Correctness?

Admittedly, there is, I suppose, always a pressure toward conformity in any society, anywhere, anytime. But this period strikes me as particuarly moralistic and sentimental. This society needs a healthy dose of nihilism to wipe its silly smile or its solemn moral pose off its face.

Way back in Message 68 Schraf asks robin:

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Who, exactly, are these people; "The Leftists"?

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to which robin eventually replies in Message 119: Well, I found being called a "Leftist", even though robins idea of being a leftist is anyone who thinks being "public spirited" might be a good idea, pretty funny so in Message 137 I pointed out that I was a Registered Republican and had been working for Conservative causes for many decades. Lo and behold, his reply is even more astonishing; What can be made of this???????????Does robin really think that anyone who public spirited is a "Leftist"? Since Georgie Bush called for "voluntarism" is he now a "Leftist"? Is everyone who votes or works during elections "Leftist"?Do facts really make no difference to robin and does he really believe as his threads seem to indicate that all that is needed is for him to label something as PC, or sentimental, or Leftist and realitry becomes as labeled by Robin?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Or about not being dicks to people for no reason.If someone takes offense at being called by a certain word, (or if the word itself is inherently derogatory,) then not calling them by it has nothing to do with self-esteem. It's just basic decency.

It's got everything to do with it historically. Yes.

Well, if we're playing a game of "I say it, that makes it so," then you'll have to excuse me. I have to go have sex with Kristen Bell.

There are different kinds of Volunteerism. There is the kind that has to do with patriotic feelings, but the kind I'm talking about is historically related to self-esteem, which is not about patriotism.Your morals and religion have a strong PC element. I guess you co-opted it. Happens all the time with these political ideas.

So Robin now dances off to yet another topic out of the blue and once again just labels things.Where in Message 197 did the subject of morals and religion come up? Where is something supporting your assertion that my morals and religion have a strong PC element? Why even bring that up in a response to a whole series of messages that were based not on morals or religion but on you labeling a Registered Republican Conservative as a "Lestist?"Is this a game of "Robin says?"Is there some reason you never actually answer the questions raised?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, your idea about loving oneself, which is an important part of your belief system, came originally from the Left, so I reckon you took from there. Actually, it's so much a part of our society you didn't really have to take it from anywhere.This thread is about moral systems. It's relevant.

Actually you've put me in mind of an old spitting image sketch (possibly from the 80's)
it was three or four tory wives sitting around drinking tea and talking about politics.
they would mention things like sexual and racial equality and then shriek "It's all political corrcteness gone Maaaaad!"a satire for sure but indicative of the over enthusiasm for the political right to thrust the label onto anything that might be percieved as 'liberal' or left-of-centre.

Instead of answering or even trying to answer any of the questions I raised in Message 202 Robin floats off into yet another total fantasy world assertion. He says: How cute. Now Sir Robin asserts that Jesus and the Second Commandment are Leftist or something like that.Love GOD and love others as you love yourself.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't find those terms the slightest bit demeaning - more like nicknames.
I'd rather be called "Hun" than "dude"."Demeaning" is meaningless without a cultural context. The words are only demeaning if there is a history of demeaning behaviour. My people have never been demeaned by anybody (did more than their share of demeaning others though, I suppose) so mere words don't bother us.But if somebody's family has hundreds of years of slavery to look back on, the "slave words" can bother them. Not at all.
If I call somebody a "n****r", there is nothing he can do to me that is even remotely similar.

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The meanings are quite different. In the Biblical context, it's taken for granted that we love ourself. However, the meaning you are talking about in your religion is PC-oriented. It has to do with LEARNING to love oneself--i.e., achieving self-esteem.The term "self-esteem" was popularized in the 60s and 70s.

If it is taken for granted then why is it mentioned? Why is it included as a necessary part of the Second Great Commandment? Yet more Robin asserts. I wish I knew as much about what I believe as robin does. LOLHere I thought I was a Conservative Christian Rebublican and I find out that I am a Leftist. The things you learn at EvC. You can of course show where I said that about as well as you have been able to support all your other assertions I imagine? And exactly what does that have to do with Jesus and the Second Great Commandment?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It's a comparison. It's telling us in what sense we are supposed to love others. We should love them in the same sense we love ourselves--a whole lot, in other words. In the past you talked about people not loving themselves and having to learn how. Sounds like this concept of self-esteem to me. You took this idea from the 60s and 70s concept of self-esteem.

We don't use 'guys' so much over here but my experience of living in the Mid-West and Central Texas was that it was both male-specific and gender-neutral.In your example I would take it to mean exclusively male - however it was commonplace for a mixed gender group of us to be greeted with 'Hey guys' when someone else joined us.Similarly people would say something like 'I'm meeting a group of the guys after work for a quick beer - want to come along?' - in this context the group could as easily be mixed gender as not.

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