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Omnivorous
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Message 226 of 302 (342517)
08-22-2006 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
08-22-2006 9:22 PM


I have no idea, but I also don't think I'd trust your objectivity. In any case, this doesn't change the fact that calling me "unbelievable" is rude.
I think it's a reasonable assessment of the evidence.

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jar
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Message 227 of 302 (342518)
08-22-2006 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Omnivorous
08-22-2006 9:27 PM


A gentleman tries to never be unintentionally rude. Faith is very believable.

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anglagard
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Message 228 of 302 (342519)
08-22-2006 9:31 PM


Libertarianism vs Militarism
As a registered Libertarian, all this left-right, left-right, left-right talk gives this veteran bad memories.
PC indeed. Is anyone in the US allowed to speak about politics outside of the democrat/republican or liberal/conservative box?
Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.
Edited by anglagard, : clarity

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Faith 
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Message 229 of 302 (342521)
08-22-2006 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Omnivorous
08-22-2006 9:26 PM


Re: Intellectual freedom meets resistance from lefties
Really? Then he also encouraged left-leaning students to secretly record their right-leaning profs in order to out them? He has been condemned for this sort of...well, commie thought police behavior, actually...by folks on both the left and the right. But I guess not by anyone as far right as you.
Yes, I've seen on his site reports on offenses by rightist professors too. It's just a matter of simple objective fact that they are rare these days whereas leftists have a freeforall intimidating and ridiculing their students of a conservative persuasion.
Weird idea that a mere student, a mere citizen, can be compared to the KGB. They are trying to OUT the KGB. I think you have things backwards. But then the left always does.

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nator
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Message 230 of 302 (342522)
08-22-2006 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by MangyTiger
08-22-2006 5:17 PM


quote:
We don't use 'guys' so much over here but my experience of living in the Mid-West and Central Texas was that it was both male-specific and gender-neutral.
Sort of.
"Man" and "guy", and "he" are not gender neutral terms, regardless of how either of them were used in the past.
From Hofstadter's Metamagical Themas:
In 1972, two sociologists at Drake University, Joseph Schneider and Sally Hacker, decided to test the hypothesis that man is generally understood to embrace woman. Some three hundred college students were asked to select from magazines and newspapers a variety of pictures that would appropriately illustrate the different chapters of a sociology textbook being prepared for publication. Half the students were assigned chapter headings like ``Social Man'', ``Industrial Man'', and ``Political Man''. The other half was given different but corresponding headings like ``Society'', ``Industrial Life'', and ``Political Behavior''. Analysis of the pictures selected revealed that in the minds of students of both sexes use of the word man evoked, to a statistically significant degree, images of males only --- filtering out recognition of women's participation in these major areas of life --- whereas the corresponding headings without man evoked images of both males and females. In some instances the differences reached magnitudes of 30 to 40 per cent. The authors concluded, `This is rather convincing evidence that when you use the word man generically, people do tend to think male, and tend not to think female.

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Faith 
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Message 231 of 302 (342523)
08-22-2006 9:44 PM
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08-22-2006 9:31 PM


Re: Libertarianism vs Militarism
PC indeed. Is anyone in the US allowed to speak about politics outside of the democrat/republican or liberal/conservative box?
Well, we are trying to define this PC category which isn't easy but to call it leftist is certainly in the ballpark. It's a matter of recognizing the nature of particular ideas. They tend currently to be geared to smearing people as racist and the like. Being a libertarian is no guarantee that you hold or don't hold PC ideas.

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jar
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Message 232 of 302 (342524)
08-22-2006 9:45 PM
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08-22-2006 9:40 PM


Yeah, I remember reading about that study and laughing. Shows you can get damn near anything funded.

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nator
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Message 233 of 302 (342525)
08-22-2006 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by MangyTiger
08-22-2006 5:28 PM


quote:
She's not a man as you use the word today. I, along with others, are perfectly content to use the -man suffix in a gender-neutral way.
There have been some very convincing studies that show that most people don't, in fact, use it as a neutral.

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Faith 
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Message 234 of 302 (342526)
08-22-2006 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Omnivorous
08-22-2006 9:27 PM


I think it's a reasonable assessment of the evidence.
Just your subjective impression is all the "evidence" amounts to. And again, it's irrelevant. Calling me "unbelievable" is rude in any case. And you are changing the subject.

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nator
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Message 235 of 302 (342527)
08-22-2006 9:47 PM
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08-22-2006 9:45 PM


quote:
Yeah, I remember reading about that study and laughing. Shows you can get damn near anything funded.
What's that supposed to mean.
It is good research.

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jar
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Message 236 of 302 (342529)
08-22-2006 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by nator
08-22-2006 9:47 PM


It is a classic example of designing a survey to get the results you want. Worthy of Neil Newhouse or one of the other political pollsters.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 237 of 302 (342530)
08-22-2006 9:51 PM
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08-22-2006 8:24 PM


schrafinator writes:
I could call you a Jew-gasser.
You could, but it wouldn't demean me.
Pick one:
  1. My ancestors left Germany a hundred years ago.
  2. I'm Jewish.
  3. A and B.
  4. I'm a closet Nazi.

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Jaderis
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Message 238 of 302 (342533)
08-22-2006 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
08-22-2006 9:22 PM


In any case, this doesn't change the fact that calling me "unbelievable" is rude.
I hardly think that is rude. If I wanted to be rude, I could have done alot better than that.
I was astounded, yet again, by your ability to handwave away anything that contradicts your claims. In this case your implication that the alleged murder of Betty Van Patter by the Black Panthers and your feelings of uncomfortability when confronted by extremist (yes, extremist...your examples of blacks and feminists and gays were extremist and not the norm) views was somehow morally equivalent to the hundreds of years of terror and oppression experienced by black Americans.
I was also astounded by the fact that apparently you believe everything you read if it comes from a conservative. Your understanding of the history of the Black Panthers and black nationalism cannot only come from a zealot flinging exaggerated and unsubstantiated allegations of murder and "thuggery" and from what was portrayed by the establishment media (i.e. frightened white folks) at the time.
And you accuse me of being propagandized?

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Message 239 of 302 (342536)
08-22-2006 10:00 PM
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08-22-2006 9:54 PM


I made no such moral equivalence, which is just a bizarre misrepresentation from you, out of your own mental set beyond my fathoming. I clearly distinguished all that leftist stuff from the legitimate civil rights movements. Those legitimate movements were just an excuse for the hate war that the left was calling its Revolution. It is you who want to justify the connection. I don't agree. Just stop accusing me of things I haven't said. Your entire post is a rude and false personal accusation.

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nator
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Message 240 of 302 (342540)
08-22-2006 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Faith
08-22-2006 8:42 PM


examples
quote:
I wasn't thinking of such terms when I said we all have names for foreigners, but of course you would think of them and try to stick them on me.
Perhaps I acted too hastily.
What terms for foreigners were you thinking of?
You never have given any examples, you know.
Names for cities and holy books are not names for foreigners.

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