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Author Topic:   Just What is (and what is wrong with) Political Correctness?
RAZD
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Message 87 of 302 (342172)
08-21-2006 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by docpotato
08-21-2006 12:15 PM


mr manners (oops)
I would agree that classifying something as "PC" means it is language that is phrased in the least offensive way possible.
I look at it as an attempt to re-introduce manners into {political\cultural} concepts.
"My mother always said that if you couldn't say something nice about someone you shouldn't say anything at all"
I do think the internet will become a bias removing tool, as you can't be biased about {information} you don't know, but people seem unable (or unwilling) to let (their) gender go ....
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Message 118 of 302 (342292)
08-22-2006 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
08-22-2006 3:51 AM


Re: mr manners (oops)
...a hate package of incredible virulence against Designated Enemies who are just ordinary human beings.
Yes, it's just terrible being singled out for your bigotry and biases instead of who or what you are, and then, being held up as an example of what is wrong with society is a real traumatic experience eh?
So much easier when you could call the 'boys' workin y'alls yard "niggas" eh Scarlet? So much more descriptive ...
The black panthers did not shoot Martin Luther King. Or lynch people.
The black panthers also did not 'create' PC or have anything to do with it.
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RAZD
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Message 213 of 302 (342488)
08-22-2006 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
08-22-2006 9:49 AM


Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn ...
(to use the popular misquote)
Can't deal with the true meaning of what's being said, I guess. So much easier to smear your opponent as a racist.
Strawman.
Actually Scarlet wasn't a racist -- she was mindless on that matter, had never thought about it, and used the casual cultural references she was raised in. What she was, especially at the beginning, was a petty little princess that thought everyone was beneath her, white or black. By the end of the movie she had lost the pettyness.
Typical mindless categorizing kneejerk PC.
Funny how you use PC as if it was a perjorative. Like 'liberal' ...
Creavolution writes:
Message 204
Actually you've put me in mind of an old spitting image sketch (possibly from the 80's) ... it was three or four tory wives sitting around drinking tea and talking about politics. they would mention things like sexual and racial equality and then shriek "It's all political corrcteness gone Maaaaad!"
a satire for sure but indicative of the over enthusiasm for the political right to thrust the label onto anything that might be percieved as 'liberal' or left-of-centre.
This certainly appears to be the right wing view of PC: that they must abuse it as it infringes on their natural right to discriminate against whole groups of people.
The importance of PC to me is the concept that we should discriminate (if we must) against people based on the individual in question, not on the basis of whatever group they are perceived - rightly or wrongly - to belong to.
If you happen to demonstrate to me that you are a {fanatic religious fundamentalist that chooses to be ignorant of actual facts and deny evidence}, then I am free to think of you as a {fanatic religious fundamentalist that chooses to be ignorant of actual facts and deny evidence}, but not to then think that all religious fundamentalists are {fanatic religious fundamentalists that choose to be ignorant of actual facts and deny evidence}. See?
The conservative right seems to have the most trouble with this, as it is what 90% of their political campaigns are about: they attack what the opponents is and not what their position is -- paint them as some member of some whacko group and you don't need to deal with their argument actually involves on a factual basis eh?
True, they killed people for no social or political reason, being garden variety criminals.
They were terrorists. Terrorists that sprouted, as terrorists always have and always will, whenever groups of people are oppressed and discriminated and treated as less than other humans (and one of the reasons that increased oppression and discrimination and bad treatment will never solve the problem).
The black panthers went away, dwindled, and virtually died as a political movement not because they were defeated but because black people won the basic right to be treated as equals ... not just in fact, but in NAME as well.
Well, they benefited from it. The intellectual lefties invented it for them.
Where is the black panther party now as a political movement? Who's running for president of the US? What have they done lately that makes the news? --- surely if they benefited as you say they should be a major player, at least in the liberal world today, eh?
http://www.seeingblack.com/x052402/panthers35.shtml
It's like a high school reunion -- the people have moved on.
What they benefited from was not any PC wording, but the actual civil rights -- civil rights they receive because they are american, not because they are black, and certainly not because they were black panthers.
Those civil rights were received not because of the 'PCing" of america, but by passing laws that made equality a reality.
Now stop being such a "Typical mindless categorizing kneejerk PC" (political conservative).
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Edited by RAZD, : changed "at" to "as" typo

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RAZD
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Message 272 of 302 (342672)
08-23-2006 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Faith
08-23-2006 4:07 AM


PC (heh) party
A list of Communist organizations. Four have "Progressive" in their title ...
Out of 65 in the whole list. The word "THE" is more common, so why not focus on that being a communist cover word?
Your logic is stunning.
Because some communists groups use the word "progressive" in their title means that all groups that use the word "progressive" are communists
Like the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada
Progressive Conservative Party of Canada - Wikipedia
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RAZD
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Message 275 of 302 (342675)
08-23-2006 7:43 AM
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08-23-2006 7:34 AM


Re: PC (heh) party
So you agree that the use of the term in the Progressive Conservative Party is a screen for their secret communist agenda
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RAZD
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Message 277 of 302 (342677)
08-23-2006 7:55 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Faith
08-23-2006 7:48 AM


Re: PC (heh) party
So if it is used by a conservative group it is an "innocent" usage
But if it is used by any liberal group then it is a cover for their being a communist group.
Still looks like the fallacies of poor silogism of the
Some {A} is {B}
Therefore all {B} is {A}
Type, coupled by equivocation for every time it is used by a conservative group.
But hey, it's your party.
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