Lying For Jesus Award

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Luk 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

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But on the other hand:

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Joh 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

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1Jo 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
1Jo 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

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The world can see who "loveth not his brother" - who preaches at his brother instead of feeding him, who condemns his brother, who won't let his brother marry the person of his choice.If the world hates you, that's not an excuse to puff yourself up as a martyr - it's an oppurtunity to change the world's perception of you.

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One of my cousins is married to the son of a Nazi general.Do I think less of her for that? Or him?Is it "over-generalizing" to say that Nazis make Germany look bad?

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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

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When they locked up the social democrats,
I did not speak out;
I was not a social democrat.

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When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

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When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

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-- Martin Niemller

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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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-- attributed to Edmund Burke

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Schrafinator said:

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what is preventing them from loudly and publicly denouning him?

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And you responded: When Jesus said that, He was talking about actually stoning somebody.
(Why is it that you can't see when something is literal? )He was not saying we have to be without sin to speak out against wrong-doing, He was just saying "Don't kill the wrongdoers."He also said:

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Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

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It is clear that the Christian thing to do is to rebuke your Christian brothers when they do wrong, not turn away and ignore it.And don't forgive them until they repent.

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Are you sure that isn't Landover Baptist?

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Well, of course. An intelligent reading of any text involves deciding what is literal and what is not. Then you agree that Christians should speak out against Falwell, Robertson and all the other Gangsters for Christ. Good. Let's see you do more of that around here. Allow me to repeat:

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Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

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Did you notice the "if" this time?You're not supposed to "forgive" Benny Hinn for conning little old ladies and then watch him keep doing it.

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What part of "If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him" do you not understand?

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Falwell trespasses publicly, so the rebuke should be public too, not private by phone. You can start by rebuking him here and by rebuking what he stands for instead of defending Christians who turn a blind eye.

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You neglected to quote the most important part. I also said:

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Let's see you do more of that around here.

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Don't be amazed. Don't wonder. Don't be so defensive. Stand up and speak out for what you believe in, here where you have a voice.Instead of arguing against me, speak out against those guys. Then there won't be any more confusion about whether or not you condone what they do.

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Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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Extend that to groups as well as to individuals. "Why beholdest thou the mote that is in the Muslim's eye or the Hindu's eye, but considerest not the beam in the Christian's eye?"

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You can water down the definition of a "lie" until almost nothing is a lie.If you remember, the commandment is not against "a conscious effort to decieve", it's against "false witness". We are commanded not to spread falsehoods. It is our responsibility to determine to the best of our ability that something is true before we proclaim it.Anybody who claims to believe in a young earth, for example, has not done that. The information is readily available to prove that claim false. Anybody who wilfully ignores it is bearing false witness."Belief" is no excuse.

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Not the same thing at all. When the Bible talks about "false witness" it is talking about real-world events. The "rules of evidence" are very similar to those in science - e.g. Leviticus required two witnesses (verification). Exactly. That means we have to speak out against interpretations of the Bible that are false - e.g. a young earth.

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No. That's not what false witness means.As I said, "believing" a lie is not an excuse for spreading it. Do your homework. If it has been falsified, shut the @#$% up. If you're not sure, shut the @#$% up. If you are sure and you repeat it and somebody calls you on it, shut the @#$% up.Whoever fails all three of those tests is wilfully bearing false witness.

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Of course not. But the topic is not about just "beliefs". It's about things that can be verified. But she still hasn't done her homework. She could call you, the baby's mother, to verify the facts. So, no harm no lie. Is that your story?

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Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

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Part of spreading the "good news" is exposing the bad news spread by false witnesses. Blythely ignoring your responsibility is not an option.

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On the contrary, I play "The Bible Says" in every thread. (It's amazing how little Bible understanding the Bible thumpers have. Too much thumping and not enough reading, I guess.)And this is a morality thread. The point is that you should be helping your fellow Christians to be scrupulously clean, not just painting over the dirt.

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