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Taz
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Message 1 of 279 (377887)
01-18-2007 8:26 PM


I was wondering if it's ok for me to start a Lying For Jesus Award of the Month thread each month.

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kuresu
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Message 2 of 279 (377890)
01-18-2007 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
01-18-2007 8:26 PM


i don't have a say, but i think that could be hilarious.
or course, you better start a "Lying for Darwin" award too, or else people like Randman and Herepton are gonna get really pissed.

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Taz
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Message 3 of 279 (377892)
01-18-2007 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by kuresu
01-18-2007 8:33 PM


I have no problem with lying for darwin award.
And for the record, this is a serious question. I'm not trying to be funny. A member here who I have respected in the past has shown his true face by lying over and over again. Whether he is suffering from some kind of delusion or he is consciously making the decision to lie in hope of buying a ticket to heaven, I would very much like to nominate him for the lying for jesus award of the month.

AKA G.A.S.B.Y.
George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

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jar
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Message 4 of 279 (377895)
01-18-2007 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Taz
01-18-2007 8:38 PM


Not just in really bad taste but stupid as well
Such an award is pointless, in very bad taste and serves only to decrease the possibility of discussion.
Any such award is the height of absurdity.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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kuresu
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Message 5 of 279 (377898)
01-18-2007 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by jar
01-18-2007 8:48 PM


then what of the darwin awards, which celebrates (or maybe condemns?) the stupidity of mankind?
just an honest question, not a defense.

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Taz
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Message 6 of 279 (377901)
01-18-2007 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by jar
01-18-2007 8:48 PM


Re: Not just in really bad taste but stupid as well
How so? Right now, there is nothing you can do if the other person you're talking to is lying.
Look at it this way. The person who I want to nominate for the lying for jesus award will probably lay low for a few days. After a few days, everyone will forget about how he lied and he becomes a respected member again. He can go back and say how good of a person he is again and how many people he is helping in the name of christ.
If they are willing to flat out lie, what's wrong with having a lying for jesus award?

AKA G.A.S.B.Y.
George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

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jar
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Message 7 of 279 (377902)
01-18-2007 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by kuresu
01-18-2007 8:53 PM


then what of the darwin awards, which celebrates (or maybe condemns?) the stupidity of mankind?
Something from some other site.
The only way such an award could even possible be anything less than counterproductive would be if it was promoted by the specified people themselves. For example if a Lying for Jesus Award was only proposed and voted on by the most fundamentalist members like Ray and Buz.

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jar
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Message 8 of 279 (377904)
01-18-2007 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Taz
01-18-2007 8:59 PM


Re: Not just in really bad taste but stupid as well
Because it is pointless, counterproductive and against forum rules.

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Rob 
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Message 9 of 279 (377922)
01-19-2007 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taz
01-18-2007 8:26 PM


I was wondering if it's ok for me to start a Lying For Jesus Award of the Month thread each month.
It's kind of mute...
A person cannot come to Christ unless they are a poor wretched liar to begin with. C'mon you know... Blessed are the poor in spirit. The broken and confessing.
So calling a Christian a sinner (in any sense of the term), is like calling a Tasmanian Devil sinless.
No one will be shocked...

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Taz
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Message 10 of 279 (377927)
01-19-2007 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Rob
01-19-2007 12:01 AM


I'm not calling a christian a sinner, since obviously I don't believe in the concept of sin. I'm calling a christian (who represents the rest of you christians) a liar.
Reading comprehension problem here?

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Rob 
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Message 11 of 279 (377930)
01-19-2007 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Taz
01-19-2007 12:23 AM


I'm not calling a christian a sinner, since obviously I don't believe in the concept of sin. I'm calling a christian (who represents the rest of you christians) a liar.
Reading comprehension problem here?
What's wrong about lying? Why do you impose your morality on this person.
Of course the only logical answer is a charge of hypocrasy.
So then the question is begged... 'what's wrong with hypocrasy?' And why do you impose that on this person?
Just because Satan (devil) is not a hypocrite, does not make him right.

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dwise1
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Message 12 of 279 (377934)
01-19-2007 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Rob
01-19-2007 12:01 AM


It's kind of mute...
For future reference, the word should be "moot".
"Mute" means silent, not uttering a sound. They're also pronounced differently:
"moot" like "root"
"mute" has a palatal glide before the "u" sound, like "myute"
Sorry, my language training makes it impossible for my to figure out a purely English-centric phonetic rendering.
A person cannot come to Christ unless they are a poor wretched liar to begin with. C'mon you know... Blessed are the poor in spirit. The broken and confessing.
So calling a Christian a sinner (in any sense of the term), is like calling a Tasmanian Devil sinless.
Actually, the issue is not that a Christian is not perfect. Rather, it is that they actively use lying and deceiving as a way to serve their god, AKA "The God of Truth". The question then becomes one of whether they are exploiting the situation (ie, using Christianity as an excuse to do wrong; you know, the ends justifying the means, which the Religious Right called "secular humanism"), or the system (the teachings and practices of either fundamentalism or "creation science" or both) actually teaches them to resort to lying and deceiving. If it's the latter case, then the question becomes one of whether they feel that they have scriptural or doctrinal justification (in which case, just what is that justification?), or the community has found that they really do have nothing to support their position so resorting to lying and deceiving is a practical necessity. In the latter case, most of the foot soldiers would be ignorant of the truth and so not realize that they are lying and deceiving -- when confronted by the truth, it seems that they would either go into denial (I've mainly seen this group), decide to continue using the lies (I've seen a few of these on forums; when they can no longer avoid the truth, they admit that they're wrong, but then several days later we find them repeating those very same lies to somebody else and when we confront them about it they run away), or they lose their faith (I've seen several of these, ex-creationists and ex-Christians who lost their faith because of "creation science").
My understanding is that "lying for the Lord" is contrary to Christian doctrine. Of course, I could be mistaken, so I would welcome someone showing my that it is condoned and how it is justified.
No one will be shocked...
Yeah, seems that it takes a lot to shock anybody anymore.
However, I am not a Christian. I stopped being a Christian about 40 years ago when, out of navité, I assumed that my church required nave biblical literalism; upon reading the Bible from the start (I only got through part of Genesis, undoubtedly not to the story of Lot being raped by his daughters, since I would have remembered that) I quickly found that I could not literally believe it, so I left. Everything I've seen and heard and read since then has informed me that I had made the right decision, just for the wrong reasons. If others are also going to make that same decision, I would prefer that it be for the right reasons, which is one of the reasons why I oppose "creation science".
I will also undoubtedly never become a Christian. The reason is because of the fruits of Christianity, which include the use of lies and deception by "creation science". It's not disappointment with individual Christians, but rather the pattern I see which tells me that the theology they're being taught promotes their misconduct. Truth, truthfulness, and morality are important to me. Why would I ever want to convert to a faith whose practice opposes truth, truthfulness, and morality?

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Rob 
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Message 13 of 279 (377940)
01-19-2007 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by dwise1
01-19-2007 12:59 AM


Truth, truthfulness, and morality are important to me. Why would I ever want to convert to a faith whose practice opposes truth, truthfulness, and morality?
Because it is the source of what you say is important to you. And that is why you respect it. Because it is universal truth and is real.
Don't confuse the message with the messangers...
We're all sinners... but the worst one's won't even admit that. You didn't give up on christianity because the Christians were sinners. You gave up on it because you wanted to keep your sins and not carry the cross of shame that they do.

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anastasia
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Message 14 of 279 (377941)
01-19-2007 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by dwise1
01-19-2007 12:59 AM


dwise1 writes:
For future reference, the word should be "moot".
One of those Robisms...aka egg-corns. 'Mute' instead of 'moot' is actually in the list of egg-corns given by Wikipedia.
Actually, the issue is not that a Christian is not perfect. Rather, it is that they actively use lying and deceiving as a way to serve their god,
Personally, until I came to EvC I had never heard such opinions of Christianity. I have never once used lying to serve God. I am very sorry that a few 'creation scientists' have ruined it for you.

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kuresu
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Message 15 of 279 (377945)
01-19-2007 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Rob
01-19-2007 1:34 AM


so you know dwise1 better than he does?
riiiight . . .
the reason I'm not a christian? I'm self centered, in that I need no one else to help carry me or solve my problems, particularly the help of a person who is dead. I also don't like the idea of being a sheep. I don't have wool!

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