Lying For Jesus Award

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I was specifically talking about liberals who hate all Christians, just because they are Christian.

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Er, I don't personally know, or know of, any political liberals who hate Christians just because they are Christian.All of the liberals and liberal organizations I know of don't care what religion people are, as long as those people don't try to impose their religious views on others.I'd say that you might want to think about losing your persecution complex.

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Forget Germany. Do Nazis make Germans look bad? I hope not. And I also hope Hovind and such don't make Christians look bad. Chrisitanity is no more real than its members, and a christian should be judged as individually as a German. Better yet, not judged at all.

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So, you do not think we should judge the KKK or the Nazi Party as an organization?It is invalid, according to you, to say "The KKK is a white-supremacist terrorist organization."?

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You are assuming that there exists one 'christian' force which is supposed to stand up against other christians. There is not. Christianity is made up of thousands of sects, some opposing one thing, some another. The RCC for example has no control over all of christianity, and the voice of one group or one individual is only a voice.

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So, when 50 Christian leaders from 50 different denominations see Jerry Falwell on the television and have strong feelings against what he is saying in the name of all Christians, what is preventing them from loudly and publicly denouning him?We see this but very rarely, either individually or collectively.

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What good would it honestly do if all the Catholics in the world spoke out against a Protestant?

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To those of us who consider all Catholics and Protestants Christian, it would mean a great deal!Most people consider Catholocism to be a subset of Christianity, ana.

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I find the entire thing a little strange anyway. Almost no allegation was brought to light when it happened, only decades later or after the priest died.

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Yeah.I certainly can not think of any possible reason that a 10 year old boy might not tell his devout parents that the parish priest raped him.After all, 20 or 30 years ago, men of God raping little boys was not considered shameful or shocking, was it? Law enforcement and even parents always believed little kids when they told such stories, didn't they?

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Almost nobody has mentioned a current incidence of this behavior.

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Could that be because there is a fear among the pedophiles in the Church that they will be reported and prosecuted? Could it also be that patents no longer assume that their children are safe when alone with priests and don't allow them to be?Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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As long as you judge individual Christian organizations as well

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Well, then you have given me leave to judge "The Roman Catholic Church".Now, am I allowed to judge "racists" as a group?

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Not being a whiny liberal who bitches about everything...

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So, when Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coulter, and Rush Limbaugh bitch and complain about everything, what are they?

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Most Catholics don't consider Catholicism to be a sub-sect of anything.

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So what? We are not talking about what Catholics think, we are talking about general public perception.AbE: And I said "subset", not "subsect".

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To us, it is the epitome, the foundation, the corner-stone, the creme de la creme, the everlasting truth, The Faith, etc.

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Blah, blah, blah.Whatever, protestants and Catholics are all just Christians to most people.The whole "Christ" belief that you have in common makes you all Christians.Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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The same thing which prevents me from loudly and publically denouncing stupidity anywhere else.

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I didn't say you.I said, "So, when 50 Christian leaders from 50 different denominations see Jerry Falwell on the television and have strong feelings against what he is saying in the name of all Christians, what is preventing them from loudly and publicly denouning him?"Why aren't those 50 Christian leaders standing up and refusing to allow Falwell to speak for them?If I don't hear any other Christians denouncing Falwell, ever, then what am I supposed to think?I am left to think that other Christians don't object to what he says.

Remind me again why I should waste my time with you, troll?

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Maybe some day you will realize how ridiculous some of the stuff you type is.

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Anybody who defends Ann Coulter as some kind of purveyor of actual "information" obviously hasn't a firm grasp upon reality.

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He who is without sin shold throw the first stone.

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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."Edmund Burke
Irish orator, philosopher, & politician (1729 - 1797)

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That and maybe money, and a television network.

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Are you telling me that no religious leaders can write a press release? None of them can contact radio and television stations and newspapers to voice their opinion?None of them?

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All I can say is that it must be nice to have no atheist denominations to take the blame and the responsibility when one of you goes awry.

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If an atheist got on television and started spouting hate in the name of all atheists, you are damn right I would stand up and voice my opinion.

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Oh, and no God to catch up to you when the humans fail.

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I don't even know why the above is relevant to this conversation.I guess, though, that you can't give any reason at all for why Christian leaders do not stand up and publicly reject Falwell and his ilk.I guess you all must be OK with what each and every one of those con men promote.

The point is, buz, most mainstream Christians quite rightly think Falwell is a first class, power-hungry nutjob, yet they don't seem to be standing up to oppose him when he is the religious leader invited to appear on CNN to provide the "Christian" viewpoint.

The long and short of it is, catholic troll, that if you don't think what I say has any worth, and you think it is ridiculous, then you have two choices:You can1) Rationally, factually, and logically explain why you think what I say is worthless and ridiculous, or2) Ignore my posts.Trolling me doesn't show anybody, least of all me, the ridiculousness or worthlessness of what I write, if it is worthless and ridiculous.It just shows that you are dismissive of what I write without actually bothering to provide any argument.I'm sorry if you had a bad day at work or whatever, but that doesn't give you any right to treat me this way.