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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
How bad is your googling habit? Mine's up to about 50 googles a day, on average. Google is something like the Wizard of Oz: Oh, Great Google, what is the current human population of the world? Or, oh, great Google, what do you know about figerglass blisters? Or, oh, great Google, what did Bob Dylan mean by "blowin' in the wind"? Or, Oh, great Google, has anyone ever wondered if tsetse-fly genes jump into their victims? Great Google will always come through with answers, no matter how far-fetched or stupid my question might be. And even if I can't spell, Google will help me out. Google is patient and kind. Google is Lord.
If I cared to take the trouble I might be able to make an argument, using Google, of course, that Google is something of quantum-mechanical monster. Google could even be the new threat to our free will and self-determination. Too early to tell. But I can tell you one thing: If Google had been around when I was in school or during my profession career, life would have been very different for me and everyone else. It's hard for us to see it, but the powers of information-gathering in human affairs are growing very fast. Maybe we are becomming Homo sapiens googleease. So my coffee-house questions are these: Could you live without Google (or any of its peers)? Is googling good or bad for humanity? Is it going to change us. Is Google a potentially mind-controlling monster? Or is just a better librarian? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
There is a place for you at the Church of Google. Take a pew and submit to the Lord's indomitable Will. Amen, brother.
quote:I can see now more easiliy that this notion of Google Is Lord is not new. Still, the quantum-mechanical aspects of it are interesting. I think I see versions of actions-at-a-distance, or entanglements, very large number of participants, and collapsing wave functions. Could be the closest thing we have to a quantized human consciousness. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
AO writes:
So you think Google is just a better librarian? What's so bad about it? I wish more people had a Googling habit.How many times do we see discussions hit potholes because a participant can't be bothered to open a window and look up something? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
You're right, of course, which is why all human civilization came to an end when they invented encyclopedias and people could just look stuff up in them.
I've googled a lot of stuff you can't find in any encyclopedia. Besides, didn't Diderot fuel a revolution when he wrote the Encyclopedia? Your trouble here is that you're too young to see the fuller sweep of history. You need to consult with older people more often. Oh, wait. That's not what happened at all? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Only use it when I need info.
bluescat48, have you every asked yourself "Am I googleable?" The world is now divided into two subspecies of virtual humans, those who are googleable and those who are not. ”HM Edited by Hoot Mon, : Subtitle added
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
You boys need to keep in mind that we older people are closer to history than you are. Therefore we know more. Can you tell me, without consulting Lord Google Almighty, what you know about the Zuit Suit Riots or how the Silent Generation got its name? They explain everything from post-war pop fashion to roots of twentieth-century social rebellion.
”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
cf writes:
Gosh, you're right about the name. I don't know where I came up with "Zuit" instead of "Zoot." I shouldda googled it. But I think it took place in LA in the mid 40s. I equate it with the first wave of juvenile delinquency, which was setting into an incipient youth culture while all our fathers where away at war. By the time they got home the worms were out of the can, and even I, a corny Midwestern kid, was wearing peg pants by the late 40s. Just from memory of 8th-grade civics, without any verification via internet (as you request), and therefore extremely tentatively and almost certainly wrongly on many counts, the Zoot Suit Riots (I do remember that you've spelled it wrong) were a series of altercations between shore-leaved sailors and the local gangs, who dressed in striped, baggy suits called "Zoot suits", that arose amid the swing clubs of late 1950's San Francisco. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Ringo writes:
History is like Chinese Whispers. The closer you are to the source the more accurate the reporting. Closer doesn't necessarily give you a better view. You can't see the forest for the trees, as they say. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
WK writes:
We didn't have onions, but we had skinny, leather belts to hold up our pegged pants. My GI father and I had wars over it. with an onion on my belt....which was the style at the time. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Ringo writes:
Back to my point precisely! Here's what I Googled: ”HM Edited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
cf writes: I don't understand what "pegged pants" are. Pegged pants were a very big deal for the style-conscious teen of the late 40s and early 50s. Here's a boy who got away with wearing a zoot suit with pegged pants (narrow cuffs).
The cuff circumference of your trousers meant everything to your social status back then. If your pants were uncuffed and straight-legged you were very uncool, probably lived in a devoutly religious home. You were at high risk of being accused of wearing "bell-bottoms." Yuk! But if your pants were pegged like those in the picture you were very cool and probably came from a broken home. Coolness was measured by degree between the two extremes. My father, a strict conservative, allowed me to get my pants pegged just a little. But I was not allowed to look in any way like a Zoot Suiter. This is where the divide began, I think, that put teenagers on a troubled track leading to rebelleous things like rock 'n' roll and Beatniks. Hence America morphed from infantile paralysis to juvenile delinquency. Ever watch the movie "Blackboard Jungle"? ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
kuresu writes:
You're probably right. But I am drawing on my person experience to analyze post-war history, which is of course dubiously anecdotal. What I find strange about the zoot-suit craze is how anti-GI it was; they had fought and died for our American freedom and won the great war, but in very short order their kids were emulating the gangster elements of Mexicans instead of true-blue American values. And from what others have said about the Zoot Suit Riots, I highly doubt that that single event explains post-war pop fashion or social rebellion. Single events almost never explain a broad, general event. Something was going south in America that the GIs couldn't stop. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
jar writes:
This is true. The Zoot Suit Riots of LA lodged in my memory and probably biased my thinking. The pegged-pants fad that reached my home town, Toledo, was the first such youth craze after the war (that I can remember). It seemed to me to be a fulminating event to me. Gangster elements of Mexicans?Huh? For the origin of Zoot Suits look to Chicago, Harlem, Memphis and Detroit. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
jar writes:
After the war was over America's attention shifted to its youth and its pop culture, attempting to grapple with problems like polio and juvenile deliquency. The youth had become progressively more troublesome while their fathers were away at war. In a surprisingly sudden way the cultures of minorities were being adopted by school children. When pegged pants hit Toledo it was a big deal, and it was taken by GIs everywhere as a sign of serious trouble. Even though zoot suits had been around for while, the Zoot Suit Riots of LA during the war marked a shift in the direction toward youth rebellion. At least that's how I experienced it. My GI father thought pegged pants meant anarchy. And this was a relatively tame opinion compared to what he thought about Chuch Berry, Little Richard, and the Beatniks. I'm not sure how you can relate the style to Juvenile Delinquency. ”HM
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5530 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Thank you for proving my case.
We need something better than humans to interpret history. We're all too bias to report anything accurately. This is where Google comes in. Lord Google will work with Lords Wiki and Yahoo to remove human bias cybernetically, something like a digitally remastered recording of Billie Holiday. ”HM
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