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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You're pretty close to right on. (also without using Google)
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Gangster elements of Mexicans?
Huh? For the origin of Zoot Suits look to Chicago, Harlem, Memphis and Detroit. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, since the Zoot Suit first appeared in the 1920s, and had been worn by folk in movies since then and seen by just about every moviegoer, and the Zoot Suit riot was not until 1942 and involved US Military and civilians, I'm not sure how you can relate the style to Juvenile Delinquency.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm still very confused over some of your connections. The "Beatniks" were mostly imagined creations of the late 50s to early 60s, based very loosely on the writings of Kerouac, Burroughs, Ginsberg and a few others, the Zoot Suit riots were simply a conflict between military on leave and the guys dating the girls and happened in 1942, Chuck Berry and Little Richard were musicians that rose to general popularity in the mid-fifties.
The fact that your dad saw that as "anarchy" is at most, humorous, but that's about it. As for the overall effect of the riot, the causes, I think a quote from Eleanor Roosevelt summed it up:
Of the riots, First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt commented, "The question goes deeper than just [zoot] suits. It is a racial protest. I have been worried for a long time about the Mexican racial situation. It is a problem with roots going a long way back, and we do not always face these problems as we should." Far from being an example of juvenile delinquency, it was more a case of racial tensions and "The Power and Organization" of the military. On almost no notice the military self-organized into a "Gang" and there was a classic Rumble. I'm not at all sure that I would call either Chuck Berry (did you ever actually see Chuck?) or Little Richard as any greater threat than other such influences such as Glenn Miller, the Dorsey Brothers, Cozy Cole, Gene Krupa, Frank Sinatra and others when they introduced "Swing" which was also seen as degenerate. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes, and more. What does it mean when something becomes so all powerful? How is Google all powerful? How is it any different from other communication revolutions such as the priniting press or translations into the vernacular? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Please remember that you are talking with someone who lived those times.
My parents had no problems with Chuck Berry or Little Richard, but then they had also introduced me to Big Momma Thorton, Bessie Smith, Lady Day, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Willie Dixon and Jelly Roll Morton. I'm sorry but I lived through the same period and saw nothing like what you seem to picture. The Beatniks were not communists, America was not threatened by anything except itself and its own conservatism. Sputnik did not lead to the Beat Generation, it was History by the time Kerouac's books came out. What was happening with youth was reflected in two of the GREAT all time TV shows, Tomight with Steve Allen and Ernie Kovacs. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's not different in any way except in magnitude of information-gathering powers. How is it any different?
Do you think there could be something more powerful than Google in that regard? Ofcourse. TBL's creation by intent is far bigger. Google is nothing but one tool in the pervasive and soon to be ubiquitous thing called the internat. Google actually is nothing more than a card catalogue, a listing service, and does not yet hold information of its own. However that will change as the net itself becomes aware. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you read TBLs initial papers on the World Wide Web and the development of HyperTextMarkUpLanguage all of that is implicit in his concept.
The essence of the WorldWideWeb is that anyone can create an addressed designation for information, to make information available beyond the originator or even the limits of the originators peer base. Search engines have been around even longer than the WordWideWeb, most notably Archie, Gopher, Jughead and Veronica. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You mean I have to support my anecdotal experiences with emprirical evidence to make them valid? What am I, chopped liver? Can't my personal anecdotes be valid on their own merits? No but you do need to support external conclusions drawn from that anecdotal evidence and asserted by you. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Please tell me your analysis of cause-effect relationships that explain the rebellion of the 50s and 60s. What rebellion of the 50s and 60s? See, you assert there was such a rebellion, but offer no evidence of it or how it was any different than any other period in history. There were rebellions and movements, but again, they had specific causes and goals, unrelated to Zoot Suits. There was a Civil Rights movement, there was an Anti-War movement, there was a Sexual Revolution, there was a Women's Rights Movement, there was a reaction to governmental lying, illegal activities and invasion of privacy, there were numerable rebellions of individual children against parental authority, which has been happening as long as there have been parents and children. If you are going to assert something like "... the rebellion of the 50s and 60s." you need to establish there was such an event. Edited by jar, : fix sub-title Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm not saying that using Google as a source is necessarily a problem provided one approaches the material with a critical eye and takes time to separate the wheat from the chaff I think that is actually closer to the real issue. We do not seem to be teaching folk how to discriminate, and so having unlimited data diminishes its real worth. We need to do a better job of teaching folk to discriminate, to refine their BS detector. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What does a professional librarian think about this threat of a cyber-social revolution, when the computers collectively know more than the collective human population? Huh? The computers know? Sorry but computers know nothing. Google knows nothing. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Computers are like books. They can store data. They can do simple tasks like keep lists. But they know nothing.
Humans can know things. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If you want to pull your usual games, then fine, enjoy.
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