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Buzsaw
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Message 113 of 288 (209855)
05-19-2005 11:14 PM


Buzsaw Mushlich
I believe mushlich (spelling?) is a German word. My wife does nearly all our cooking, but likes a muhlich which I make up from mostly raw organic ingredients. I like to mix up mostly raw concoctions. I don't measure much, but simply add to taste as I go. I begin with a sizeable bowl for easy mixing (which I do with a large spoon). First in goes raw organic rolled oats which we buy at a health food outlet by the 50 lb bag as we eat a lot of rolled oats. I start with a cup or two of oats depending how much we want. From there I add whatever tastes good and is healthy. The list goes as follows:
1. about 3 or 4 tablespoons of cold pressed flax oil which I buy frozen by the quart and keep in the freezer so as not to turn rancid which it will do easily. In our freezer door compartment it does not get hard but stays very cold. (NOTE; There's a test for rancid oils. Sample a small dab and if it stings your throat, IT IS RANCID! Much of the olive oils you buy in the supermarket, even though they are valid dated, DO NOT PASS THE TEST! I also had to return some flax oil capsules which did not pass the test, though they had good dates. For that reason, I bite all oil capsules when I get them.)
Olive oil is fine too, if you can find some good coldpressed that's not rancid or if you can buy it frozen.
2. A quarter cup or so of wheat germ. (organic, of course)
3. A quarter cup or so of raw organic sunflower seeds. Do not buy sunflower seeds unless they are raw and have a rich grey color. If they are yellowish, they're worthless and not good for you.
4. Raw organic nut chips or chopped nuts can replace sunflower seeds if desired.
5. If at all possible a nice ripe (but not mushy) mango is an important ingredient, imo. This should be diced which is tricky. You first peel half of it. Why? Because they're miserably slippery and you need the other half unpeeled to hold onto it. Then with a good sharp knife you slice TO THE SEED (important) longwise first about five or six slices. Then you slice crosswise the whole length of the half so you end up with little pea size dices. Then you shave off that side to the seed, making sure your all the way to the seed, leaving half of your seed bare when you finish that half. Now you have the seed to dig your fingernails onto for a grip so you can hold it to peel the other half and do likewise. (Practice makes perfect) For a good muhlich, it's important to have everything in small parts/dices so as to get a nice blend when finished.
6. Add one diced/sliced banana. I peel it down so as far as I can and still hold the unpeeled part in left hand. Then I slice once through the middle all the way down, after which I slice it quite thinly all the way down. Then I peel the end I've held and dice it up. Again this procedure is used so as to hold onto it.
7. Add to this UNSULFURED blackstrap molasses to taste. Even if you don't like blackstrap, you'll like it in this as it, as with everything else blends the whole so you don't taste anything particular, perse. I often add some genuine maple syrup also. NO SUGAR!! Imo, if you do you will end up with something inferior in taste and unhealthy for your body. Blackstrap molasses is all the good nutritious stuff that is left after refining the sugar out of sugar cane. In America most is fed to animals to keep them healthy and we stupid humans eat the worthless nutritionless white sugar, wrecking havoc with out health and rotting our teeth.
8. A few tablespoons of plain white yogart is good.
9. A few tablespoons of UNSULFURED grated coconut is an excellent ingredient, but for health, make sure it's unsulfured and says so on the lable. Most is not. Your local health store will likely have it or can get it.
10. Berries, such as blueberrys, currants, strawberrys, etc are excellent ingredients, either frozen or preferably fresh. If you don't like to deal with the seeds, don't use currants or rasberrys. I don't mind them. Dice up the strawberrys.
11 Other fresh fruits as desired can be added but dice them up good.
12.Oat bran, rice or other grain bran is always included in my mix.
13. Tofu is good.
14. To end up with the desired slump (a term used in mixing cement for desired thickness ) you will likely need some kind of liquid. I often use Coors beer as last I heard Coors uses no nitrites. I need to check with them though to see if that still holds true. Water will work fine if it's not clorinated tap water. Milk not healthy, nor is pop, imo. Fruit juice is good so long as it's the real stuff. I sometimes use cider if I can get it without preservative nitrites. Wine is good but has the nitrites also. MIX THOROUGHLY (very important) with a large spoon. As you mix and mix and mix, it will thicken. This is when you begin to add liquid to desired slump.
This gives you something delicious to try. I call it sinless desert meal It's also something you can scale down or up sizewize according to how many you're feeding. Most guests should love this, but I suggest you do one up for yourself first. There's all kinds of variations you can use to suit and finetune what you like. Remember though that you should not live to eat. You should eat to live!!
Cheers and good health to all!

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 122 of 288 (209993)
05-20-2005 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by nator
05-19-2005 11:45 PM


Re: Rancid Oils
No, this is a myth, I'm afraid. (Of course, some supermarkets do sell old oil, but a bite on the back of the troat is not an indicator of rancidity)
Actually, certain styles of olive oil are supposed to sting the back of the throat with a peppery bite, by design.
We're talking two different sensations here, Schraf. Rancid oil does more than bite like pepper. It stings your entire throat and you feel it for a while. I know this to be the case. It not only applies to olive oil, but all the essential oils and cooking oils. I have purchased both flax oil liquid and flax oil capsules. I have found that it was the unfrozen flax oil which burned/stung my throat. I've never had a problem with the frozen oil. I've had to return flax oil capsules on occasion because they stung my throat big time. Normally they will not and should not sting/burn your throat.. I learned this from a nutritionalist, either on the media or in a book, but it's been several years ago and I don't remember the source. I'll see what I can find for further documentation of this, as it is very important for our health to be aware of this.
I have noticed that it is the cold pressed olive oils on warm shelves that I have had the most problem with. These are best for health by far, if they're fresh or frozen, but they do not hold up well on warm shelves for rancidity problems. The hydrogenated (not healthy) ones have a longer shelf life and do not tend to rancify as soon. I suppose that's why they hydrogenate them, so as to serve as a preservative.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 123 of 288 (209996)
05-20-2005 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Buzsaw
05-20-2005 11:11 AM


Re: Rancid Oils
Here's one source that lends support to my points about rancidity of oils:
Rancidity is often experienced as a bitter taste or as a burning sensation at the back of the throat. Good salad oils, cooking oils (I don't know about Mazola) and foods that contain oils, such as nuts and seeds, are subject to rancidity if stored for too long. Best to buy these from a store that turns over its inventory quickly.
This is also true of olive oil.........
Everything2
Edited for spelling.
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-20-2005 11:52 AM

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Buzsaw
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Message 128 of 288 (210081)
05-20-2005 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by EZscience
05-20-2005 4:38 PM


Re: Rancid Oils
Rancidity is a serious concern with all unsaturated oils. They also become quite bad for you if you eat them like that.
Tell it to Schraf. She rarely agrees with me on anything, regardless of the subject or what I say.
Rancidity occurs when the double bonds in the glyceride chains become oxidated.
Is there any test besides taste? What do you think about Schraf's argument that good olive oil will sting and burn the back of and the lower throat, as per the link and as per my argument?
Keeping them cold will delay the process, but here is a better tip. Buy your oils in smaller containers, and as you use them, transfer the remainder to increasingly smaller containers so there is a minimum air space above the oil. You can't get oxidation without oxygen. I buy some expensive oils and that is what I always do.
We tend to do this with all our foods, including those in zip locks. Keep the air out. Great point!

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 131 of 288 (210086)
05-20-2005 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by EZscience
05-20-2005 4:49 PM


Re: olive oil
At the other end of the spectrum of cooking oils you have peanut oil.
The glycerides in this oil have very long, saturated carbon chains and it can be heated to very high temperatures without burning.
Thus it is the 'oil of choice' for Chinese stir-frying and such.
However, these heavier oils have less flavor of their own and are harder to digest.
Between the peanut oil and the monosodium glutamate, Chinese restaurants can be, I say, 'can be,' quite unhealthy places to dine. The health books warn a lot about most peanut products. I buy and love to eat raw organically grown peanuts and see no problem with them eaten that way. They can also easily be ground into delicious raw peanut butter.
I have recently taken to stir-frying with grape-seed oil.
We recently bought our first grape-seed oil and like it very much, though good olive oil is hard to beat for some purposes. I like flaxseed oil in most anything, but wifie doesn't take to it so much unless it is mixed in stuff so as not to be noticed. It's a flavor that one must develop a taste for. We use borage oil as a food suppliment also, but don't know much about it as a food, perse.
Hearty healthy cheers!

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Buzsaw
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Message 132 of 288 (210092)
05-20-2005 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by nator
05-20-2005 7:19 PM


Re: Rancid Oils
Buzsaw, I TEACH olive oil tasting classes.
I am an EXPERT olive oil taster.
This is what I do as my PROFESSION.
I am one of the people who decides what olive oils are sold at my business, which is considered the best deli and specialty food store in the entire country by many experts in the industry.
Ok, Schraf, I've been doing some further searching from what you've said and I see where you're coming from with the taste. The link I cited seems to be counter to some others on this pungency or stinging sensation in the throat. The link I cited was the only one that actually stated what rancidity in olive oil and other oils tasted like, but it is possible, I suppose, as you contend that olive oil is different. One cite actually used the term, "stingy" in good olive oil and others said, "pungent." So my apologies for being so adamant on my position and I will continue to search what I can find on this interesting subject.
Peace and cheers to you as well.
Edit for minor correction due to forgetting preview.
This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-20-2005 08:15 PM

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Buzsaw
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Message 146 of 288 (210332)
05-21-2005 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by nator
05-21-2005 7:00 AM


Re: Rancid Oils
I really can be a resource for you, you know.
Yah, I know. Hopefully we inform one another in these threads. None of us know it all.
I have no reason to lie to you.
I never said you lied. I thought you were mistaken.

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Buzsaw
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Message 150 of 288 (210367)
05-22-2005 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by nator
05-22-2005 9:17 AM


Re: Rancid Oils
Buzsaw, you would disagree with a woman on what menstrual cramps feel like if you decided that you knew better.
Schraf, please document that I said you lied or leave it alone. You're vindictive and neigh unto impossible for me to get along with.

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Buzsaw
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Message 152 of 288 (210372)
05-22-2005 10:25 AM
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05-22-2005 9:54 AM


Shrugs.

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