Answers to athiest's dum disputes

I really don't think I said that science in and of it's self is bad.
There are christians who prove things with science.

If you mean to say that the way you believe is more simple than the way I believe,then I must agree.

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Desdamona*

First of all that must have slipped right by me.
Can you give scripture to both accounts from the bible that you say
contradict one another?
That would be better than me trying to look up every book of John,and trying to find what I didn't know was ever there.
John is the only book someone included as saying that Jesus died
well after the pass over. You do know that Jews celebrate the passover,right?

what I mean is that they use science to help them.

Shalom! My grandma's maiden name was Tobias,and one of my gr.gr.gr.
Grandma's had the last name of Sternaman,and we have the name Haas and others.
I thought then,that you would know that the passover is observed for 8 days.That is how it's done traditionally. It is no surprise that Jesus shared the passover with his disciples before he was killed on the cross around the time of unleavened bread.
Any one who wished to learn about the passover are very welcome to look it up for themselves.
By the way,you didn't have to be so rude.

yes,the first two days are celebrated with lavish meals.
To me there is no problem with those verses in scripture.
I brought up the point that jew's celebrate the passover in case
there were those who didn't understand this.Not everyone celebrates or keeps the Sabbath day.I was just trying to help.
How long do you think it was between the time they brought Jesus in to the rulers,and the actual crucifixion? He died several hours after he was crucified.
O.k.,well if you were not rude,then it was a misunderstanding on my part.I apologize.

No,the passover lasts 8 days,and there is no mention of just one seder.
Yes,perhaps Jesus's death or when he died is not the issue,but I don't see what you say that you see.
To me there is no contradiction.Jesus privately had "a passover meal"with his disciples.
Also,there are many archeaological findings that support the holy Bible.
The have found many peices of evidence that supports the facts of the people who lived in the Bible.The Bible is not a book of
fairy tales.
There is evidence of King David and King Solomon's existence,and also
Joseph the son of Jacob.
Harod,and Pilot,and many others,and old ruins,and many other great things.Each finding alone may not prove alot,but when placed together,it should make people aware that the bible was right and is right about many things.
Did you also know that not everyone will understand the bible?
All the so called contradictions from the web site you listed are not true contradictions.People should search for themselves,and see the whole bible as a whole,and not break it down into just parts they want to use to form a contradiction,and it's not very good to take a scripture out of context.
You and I clearly do not see the same message,we both get something different from it.
The bible won't ever be completely destroyed,and people have tried to destroy it in it's infancy when the words were carefully written down by scribes.People tried to add to it,and take away from it,but God has kept it here,and it will stay.
Yes,many sects,occults and false religions still try to add books,or take away from the bible,and even make their own versions of the bible.
The Bible is made the way it is on purpose,and not everyone will
get to understand it.
I sure couldn't,not until I truly desired to have God in my life.
Well,I'm not trying to preach,I just don't see any contradiction,seder or no seder.There was a seder I'm sure,but that
really doesn't seem to matter.
The Bible to me makes perfect sense.

It seems to me that your understanding of the passover and mine
are two different events.
If you feel that the bible is full of contradictions,who can
change your mind,some one who tries to explain everything to you
down to the last detail?
I still don't see any contradictions,and it's not that I'm not
listening,it's just not there to me.
what you believe it's what you believe,I cannot change that.
How do the verses contradict one another in the accounts of the women
when both times the stone was rolled away?

Well,evolution has been grossly misrepresented,and I really didn't
have much of an understanding of it as I thought I did.
I need to look into it more,because it's clear that I don't have a clue about it.

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Desdamona*

I normally have to look at many sources before making up my mind on what I think about things that I have no clear understanding of.
Thanks for the advise.
be blessed.

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Desdamona*

Just thought You might want to know that the passover holy day lasts 8 days.Was Jesus killed on the first day when they arrested him?
Thats a whole lot of activity for a day to me.
also note in the other verse it says about 6,not that it was 6 and not that it matters anyway.
There is no contradiction.The bible is a very interesting book and it was meant to be this way,and it encourages us to search out the meaning of all scriptures.

DNA proves we were created on purpose by a great inteligence much greater than ourselves and much more brillant than one can completly understand with the human brain.The human brain it's self is a wonder,and it's design is so much like a computer it's not funny at all.The human eye is a great thing to study too.It was made by someone who knew exactly what he was doing! Chance? I say not.

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Desdamona*

No, you have it wrong again.
Jesus was crucified after passover as Mt.,Mk; and Luke tell us.
all these accounts tell us he was eating the passover so he couldn't have been crucified before.With John it seems he was crucified before,as it speaks of the lambs for passover when when he's on the tree and the jewish leadership didn't want to be defiled,
but those Lambs weren't the Passover meal lambs,they were the passover special offerings that are given the day after the passover meal.They are called hagiga,or special offerings for passover
Num.28:17 On the 15th day of this month shall be a feast,unleavened bread shall be eaten for 7 days.
Num.28:19 You shall present an offering by fire,a burnt offering to Yahveh;two bulls and one ram and 7 male lambs one year old,having them without defect.also,there were "special" personal offerings of lambs.[This message has been edited by desdamona, 04-14-2004]

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Desdamona*

while I do believe that people and animals came from the same source
meaning "a Creator",I don't think it can say that a rabbit is a close cousin to a horse,but I haven't heard anyone mad enough to try
and claim that yet.
Some claim they have been able to clone people,who knows? but they cannot use animals to help them do it.
Dolly the sheep they claim still got her DNA from sheep.
Do clones prove God is not real?
Has a clone ever been made outside of the body?
manipulating creation will prove to everyone one day what will happen.
babies are made all the time with in-vitro and other ways.That doesn't prove God doesn't exist.

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Desdamona*

Thanks Denesha for your honesty,and your sweet attitude.
I appreciate it,and I understand.