Answers to athiest's dum disputes

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Yes,I believe DNA paternity tests are acurate.
I believe it because the child has genes from both his father and his mother,and they can be used to determine who the father is when the Father is present for blood testing,or excluding others when he is not tested.
Do you believe in it? tell me why or why not?

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Yes, I do accept that DNA paternity tests are very accurate, just as you do.Now, do you realize that the DNA techniques that are used to determine paternity are the exact same techniques that Biologists use to determine how closely related different species are to each other?If

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Well,I suppose you do feel much more wise about your self.You probably think christians are ignorant and dumb,and you even imply it.

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No, I don't think Christians are ignorant and dumb.I do think that you as an individual have not researched any Biology, yet you feel comfortable rejecting 150 years of scientific discovery.

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Lean not on your own understanding,you could be in error.

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Of course.Can you show me where my error is?

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The book of John is not disagreeing with any part of the bible.

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Yes, it does.Don't you read the Gospels?Read all of Matthew 26, and here is an important verse:
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Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?Read all of Mark 14, and here is an important verse:14:12
And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?Read all of Luke 22, and here are two important verses:22:7
Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.22:8
And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.Now, the account in John is radically different than the other three. Read all of John 19, and here are several important verses:(Pilate is speaking here)19:14
And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.(emphasis added by me)19:31
The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.John seemd to want to change the story in order to frame Jesus as a symbolic "Passover lamb" which God in heaven was sacrificing for the spititual salvation of humankind.

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You cannot make scripture say something that it does not say.
To you the bible is in error,and thats your freedom of speech right there.

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It is you that wants to ignore what the bible says, as I have shown you above.

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I say that it is right on and 100% correct.This is my freedom of speech.

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Yes, you are free to say that, but you are wrong, as I have shown above.

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Yes,I know you think you are smarter than me.I already heard that.

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Smarter? I would say that I am better informed.

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Well,evolution has been grossly misrepresented,and I really didn't have much of an understanding of it as I thought I did.
I need to look into it more,because it's clear that I don't have a clue about it.

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Well done, Des!It's a rare Christian who will admit a lack of knowledge.I wish you well in your learning.

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Just thought You might want to know that the passover holy day lasts 8 days.Was Jesus killed on the first day when they arrested him?
Thats a whole lot of activity for a day to me.
also note in the other verse it says about 6,not that it was 6 and not that it matters anyway.
There is no contradiction.

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How can you read the quotes I posted and deny that there is a very clear contradiction!!??In the first three Gospels, the Last Supper, that Jesus attends, is a Passover meal, but in John, Jesus is dead before Passover even begins.It is a very, very, very clear contradition, unless you would like to explain to me how it isn't.

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The bible is a very interesting book and it was meant to be this way,and it encourages us to search out the meaning of all scriptures.

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Meaning? "Meaning" in the scriptures is a very different thing from "historical accuracy" of the scriptures, or from "internal consistency" of the scriptures.What the scriptures "mean" is irrelevant to your claim that there are no contradictions.While I would say that the Bible is chock full of all sorts of contradictions, it is full of meaning.

You didn't answer my question, Des...Since you do accept that DNA paternity tests are reliable and accurate, do you also accept that exactly the same techniques are used by scientists to determine how genetically similar species are to each other?

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No, you have it wrong again.
Jesus was crucified after passover as Mt.,Mk; and Luke tell us.
all these accounts tell us he was eating the passover so he couldn't have been crucified before.With John it seems he was crucified before,

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um, right.Just like I said.MAtthew, Mark, and Luke have Jesus eating a Passover meal.John has Jesus dead before Passover begins.Contradiction.

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as it speaks of the lambs for passover when when he's on the tree and the jewish leadership didn't want to be defiled,
but those Lambs weren't the Passover meal lambs,they were the passover special offerings that are given the day after the passover meal.They are called hagiga,or special offerings for passover
Num.28:17 On the 15th day of this month shall be a feast,unleavened bread shall be eaten for 7 days.
Num.28:19 You shall present an offering by fire,a burnt offering to Yahveh;two bulls and one ram and 7 male lambs one year old,having them without defect.
also,there were "special" personal offerings of lambs.

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Great, but irrelevant to what the Gospels say about the TIMING of the crucifiction of Jesus.There is a clear contradiction here, and you haven't explained how it isn't by talking about Passover animal sacrifices. At least, I don't understand how those details have anything to do with the timing.

You still didn't answer my question, Des.Since you agree that DNA paternity tests can accurately show the parentage of people, do you also accept that scientists use the exact same techniques to show how closely related different species are to each other?

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When you do research into these other books, you find errors and contradictions. But you don't with the Bible.

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In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus participates in a Passover meal, the Last Supper.In John, however, Jesus is crucified and dead before Passover begins.That's a very clear contradiction, unless you can show me how it isn't.

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Schraf's paradox, as we at EvC like to call it: "The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, since it says in the Bible that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God."

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SWEET!

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I teach biology for a living

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Where did you do your undergrad, BJU?Judging from what you say below, I simply don't believe that you could have studied the same Biology I did.

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and this is the weakest argument people use for macroevolution.

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That's because it isn't an argument for macroevolution.

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This along with peppered moths. All things have genetic variation.

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Right.

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Just liked humans. We all have slight variations that make us different.

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True.

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If you came up with some poison which killed all the people who have allergies then only people without allergies would survive.

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Are all allergies genetic in nature? I didn't think so.

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It's a variation which already exists. What has always baffled me is how you then say this is proof that all things evolved from an earlier organism. That is a huge jump to make.

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It would be a huge jump, but there's much more evidence that supports the idea.Genetic variation plus environmental pressures resulting in changes in the genetic makeup of a population isn't the only evidence we have for common descent.There's also the fossil record, the observed instances of speciation, and the remarkable similarities between morhpologic trees and genetic trees.As a biology teacher, you must know about all of this, don't you? Why are you acting as though you've never heard this stuff before. I heard it all in my freshman Bio 101 class 17 years ago.

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If you really want to show something show me a bacteria evolving into a protist. or a protist evolving into a simple animal, plant or fungus. I'll even take an invertebrate evolving into a vertebrate.

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We've got all of that in the fossil record, dude.Where do you teach Biology, anyway?

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While you are at it I would like to see any evidence of an organism increasing in complexity. That would be great.

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Define "complexity."Thanks.{Fixed 1 quote box - AM}[This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 04-15-2004]