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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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There are so many definitions out there, and I'd like to know which one you specifically refer to here. Compare and contrast any 3 of them. Show us these other definitions, WookieB. Do they differ significantly? Does one involve dragons? Sources, of course, will be necessary and should be extensive enough to challenge the modern synthesis.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
What claim about the scientific method are you referring to? Really, you need to be more specific, rather than asking such vague questions.
You claim my approach is broken. What approach exactly? And what evidence do you have for your claim, which facts and what arguments and what logic?
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
You call me illiterate, while using a straw man. Because your description of how I see things, are totally inaccurate.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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sensei in Message 967 writes: Percy: Every scientist who claims UCA is a fact, basically posts it as absolute truth, if you ask me. Do you agree on this or do you see it differently? Dawkins does it, I think. Among many others. You have been asked multiple times to provide actual references of Dawkins or any other evolutionary biologist making any claims about absolute truth, but you have completely disregarded those requests. This leads to the obvious conclusion that you just made it all up and that you have neither seen nor read any evolutionary biologists making claims about scientific conclusions being absolute truth. If you hadn't made it up you would have shouted out the evidence and rubbed our noses in it.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that it has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --Percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
It's most scientist who belief evolution to be both theory and fact. The evolution theory is about evolution from a common ancestry, with UCA as most plausible, and seperate common ancestors as less likely. So yeah, most biologists see common ancestry in one version or another as fact.
How about you? Which part of evolution theory do you consider to be fact?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
sensai writes: It's most scientist who belief evolution to be both theory and fact. The evolution theory is about evolution from a common ancestry, with UCA as most plausible, and seperate common ancestors as less likely. So yeah, most biologists see common ancestry in one version or another as fact.​ How about you? Which part of evolution theory do you consider to be fact? Why are you continuing with these pointless semantics? Do they have some real-life importance to you? What point are you trying to get across and if you're rejecting our answers why? From here it just looks like you¡re stuck in a corner. We'll happily lets you out if you can give us a an indication of where you think you're going with this. When discussing stuff casually scientists will use all sorts of language but I doubt you’ll find any that provide an unqualified answer to a specific scientific question.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Please show where he called you illiterate. Please outline the strawman he used. You say a lot of things but there is nothing to back any of it up so far.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
Stuck in a corner? Then tell me which part do you disagree with and why?
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
You can use the search function yourself. I'm not your secretary.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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sensei in Message 1040 writes: It's most scientist who belief evolution to be both theory and fact. And you misunderstand that. We observe change over time. That's evolution as fact. The theory is an attempted explanation of what we observer. Scientists are clear about the distinction between what we observe (fact) and the theory that attempts to explain it. Yes, we use some of the same vocabulary for each. But the distinction is still quite clear -- except, perhaps, to creationists.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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sensei Member Posts: 480 Joined: |
Yet, most of you here argue as if evolution theory of common ancestry is just as much a fact.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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sensai writes: Stuck in a corner? Then tell me which part do you disagree with and why? I have no idea what I'm disagreeing with - I've lost the plot. As far as I can gather you're trying to tell us that science claims absolute truths about things. But that's so obviously false I doubt you're saying that. So I'm trying to understand what it is you're saying. Perhaps it would help if you could just remind us of your position? Maybe we're not in disagreement?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Even the principle of tentativity is tentative. It is supported by a mountain of evidence, but our certainty about the principle can never reach 100%.
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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sensei writes: You claim my approach is broken. What approach exactly? And what evidence do you have for your claim, which facts and what arguments and what logic?
I believe Granny Magda is referring to your belief that the scientific process can arrive at 100% certainty, and that there are scientists out their declaring some things as absolute truth. We're still waiting for valid arguments for the former and evidence for the latter. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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sensei writes: You call me illiterate, while using a straw man. Because your description of how I see things, are totally inaccurate. This was your opportunity to set the record straight on how you see things, but you instead continued on your chosen path of extreme brevity, ambiguity, ignorance, unsupported and apparently baseless criticism, and insult. --Percy
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