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Author Topic:   Exposing the evolution theory. Part 2
sensei
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Message 1096 of 1104 (913117)
10-11-2023 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1095 by AZPaul3
10-11-2023 12:42 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Well QFT suggests multiple states appear simultaneously. That can be called the reality as well. Rather than viewing it as multiple realities.

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Message 1097 of 1104 (913118)
10-11-2023 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1096 by sensei
10-11-2023 1:23 PM


Re: problems with detecting design
Indeed. And in the upper echelons of the EggHead Land they posit both and argue both.
Many worlds and pilot wave theory are speculative attempts to pull reality through the haze of QFT probability.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1098 of 1104 (913139)
10-13-2023 12:14 PM


Came across this in an old bookmark. It pretty much kills the point.
quote:
Evolution as fact and theory
Many scientists and philosophers of science have described evolution as fact and theory, a phrase which was used as the title of an article by paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould in 1981. He describes fact in science as meaning data, not known with absolute certainty but "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent".[1] A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of such facts. The facts of evolution come from observational evidence of current processes, from imperfections in organisms recording historical common descent, and from transitions in the fossil record. Theories of evolution provide a provisional explanation for these facts.[1]
Each of the words evolution, fact and theory has several meanings in different contexts. In biology, evolution refers to observed changes in organisms over successive generations, to their descent from a common ancestor, and at a technical level to a change in gene frequency over time; it can also refer to explanatory theories (such as Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection) which explain the mechanisms of evolution. To a scientist, fact can describe a repeatable observation capable of great consensus; it can refer to something that is so well established that nobody in a community disagrees with it; and it can also refer to the truth or falsity of a proposition. To the public, theory can mean an opinion or conjecture (e.g., "it's only a theory"), but among scientists it has a much stronger connotation of "well-substantiated explanation". With this number of choices, people can often talk past each other, and meanings become the subject of linguistic analysis.
Evidence for evolution continues to be accumulated and tested. The scientific literature includes statements by evolutionary biologists and philosophers of science demonstrating some of the different perspectives on evolution as fact and theory.
Lots more
Evolution as fact and theory - Wikipedia

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mike the wiz
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Message 1099 of 1104 (914226)
01-04-2024 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Porkncheese
11-30-2018 7:06 PM


Porkandcheese writes:
I listened to another scientist who claimed this calculation was incorrect. His calculations were that the odds were 1x10^33. Its still a probability so huge you have a better chance of winning lotto I think.
People try to used the rhetorical device called, "playing it down", in several ways when confronted with the improbability-factor.
You are right that you will get a huge number no matter what the number is. But evolutionists are likely to come back with the classical canard on that by showing examples of unlikely things that occur every day.
However they don't show examples of unlikely things that have and can happen, that in any way compare to the size of the improbability-figure you logically MUST get from these scenarios if you entertain the absurd notion that the plain scientific fact of design is incidental.
Yes, someone in every twenty people may turn out to have my birthday, but what evolutionists miss is that this is underwhelming because the numbers and commonality make it actually a probable scenario.
Probability has to be understood in terms of WHICH probability-figure to focus upon.
What evolutionists miss is that with design it isn't a matter of supreme improbability and if we look at statistical probability, science-fact give you a figure that 1 in 1 things that had all of the usual features of intelligent design such as specified complexity and code, all turned out to have an intelligent designer.
The only reason to OPPOSE the conclusion of an intelligent designer when weighed against the absurd credulity abiogenesised evolution requires, is a BIAS against that designer turning out to be God.
That motive is not scientific because they argue against design VOCIFEROUSLY. But a person with a scientific attitude merely says, "okay, if it's design and that is more reasonable then so be it."
That is why I am one person that will NOT BE IMPRESSED with the evolutionists here ASSOCIATING themselves with science and us with religion, because the designs in life are not a religious creed, they are proven to be more intelligent than ours.

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Percy
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Message 1100 of 1104 (914233)
01-04-2024 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1099 by mike the wiz
01-04-2024 3:27 PM


You replied to the first message of a thread with over a thousand messages. That post, indeed all posts from Porkncheese in this thread, are from over five years ago.
--Percy

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mike the wiz
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Message 1101 of 1104 (914235)
01-04-2024 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1100 by Percy
01-04-2024 4:26 PM


Percy writes:
You replied to the first message of a thread with over a thousand messages. That post, indeed all posts from Porkncheese in this thread, are from over five years ago.
I have at all times at Evc when partaking often and hardly at all have went to, "all topics" to see what is on the first page. At the bottom of that page the most recent posts are 2023.
If I haven't had my say in that topic I may go to the first post. If the member is no longer active the issues will be because they are always debated so I don't see this as a major thing.
But it is funny that NOW you grow a brain over a timing-issue considering your confusion when I was last here about a present-tense statement I made about trying to be an interlocutor.
You seemed to think that my participation from long ago in an EvC forum far, far away was VERY RELEVANT when you wanted to conduct some bizarre personal study of my behaviour based on that PRESENT-TENSE comments about being an interlocutor.
Not exactly consistent behaviour or clear thinking is it?

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mike the wiz
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Message 1102 of 1104 (914236)
01-04-2024 4:38 PM


But this is why I don't stay long here any more, it all becomes a personal evaluation of every move the creationist makes. It's tedious and transparent. Are you a dullard or a dotard is what I find myself asking whomever the player is that seeks to play with mikey Kirk.

  
Percy
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Message 1103 of 1104 (914241)
01-04-2024 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1101 by mike the wiz
01-04-2024 4:36 PM


mike the wiz in Message 1101 writes:
If I haven't had my say in that topic I may go to the first post. If the member is no longer active the issues will be because they are always debated so I don't see this as a major thing.
I just wanted you to be aware that Porkncheese might not be responding any time soon.
--Percy

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Message 1104 of 1104 (914242)
01-04-2024 4:58 PM


OOPS, he stuck around! We don't mind firing spells at Dumbledore if he is on his way out of the room but what do we do if he stays?
I'll make it easy.....here is my back Tangle....have at it. (unfortunately for you, I won't be reading your troll bait. Nothing new here and this forum, just the same old propagandists of atheistic evolution churning out the inconsequential canards that cannot refute the wisdom we find in God's nature.)

  
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