COVID vaccine works - we're saved!

Theodoric:

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Lies

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The complaint window is the next window over.

Tanypteryx:

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I guess you don't understand the word "supernatural." Hint, it's not physics.

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Tany will now give us the physics of the creation of life. But first, he will explain how drug resistance evolves, why cancer treatments fail, how the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments work, and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments.

Thanks, you have posted everything that is known about the supernatural.Next the Conman will explain how Gypsies created the fossil record from tea leaves.

Kleinman:

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Tany will now give us the physics of the creation of life. But first, he will explain how drug resistance evolves, why cancer treatments fail, how the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments work, and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments.

Tanypteryx:

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Thanks, you have posted everything that is known about the supernatural.
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Next the Conman will explain how Gypsies created the fossil record from tea leaves.

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Thank you, Tany for enlightening us all on the physics of the creation of life. Your explanation of the evolution of drug resistance and why cancer treatments fail will be most helpful to physicians. And your explanation of the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutational step shows us how much you understand biological science. We look forward to your continued good work in the biological and physical sciences, and mathematics.

The Conman will show us precisely how jesus controls each bacterial replication. Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

I'm not currently moderating this thread but will if it becomes necessary. For those unfamiliar with board policy, admins are not permitted to moderate threads in which they're participating, but if the need arises a admin can give notice that they are recusing themselves for two days (i.e., cease participating), after which they can begin moderating the thread.I'd like to remind participants in this thread of rule 10:

10. The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

In other words, don't make the discussion personal. Going after someone's wife, particularly after being asked to stop, seems especially egregious to me. If it or anything like it occur again then I will recuse myself from participation in the thread for two days, after which I'll begin moderating thread discussion.

So you think society should be guided by a book with obvious contradictions. You still don't understand that if you want to discuss STDs you should open a new thread. So you believe in witches, do you? Maybe you should come back when you're prepared. If by data you mean raw data, raw data doesn't usually appear in such papers. Depending upon the paper, typical sections are methodology, results, analysis and conclusions. If you didn't see any results or analysis then you must have been looking with your eyes closed. And what caused you to think this was relevant to the discussion at the time? Then answer the question instead of just asking more questions and changing the subject to polio. Why do you think masks and vaccinations do not reduce the spread and severity of respiratory pandemics? Like I said, I think you're having trouble following or recalling the discussion. Why did you say Cuomo was confining elderly people when he wasn't, making it impossible for anyone to know what you were talking about? And why now do you see the need to argue a point no one is contesting? Do you think a covid thread is a good place to begin a discussion about the right to self-defense? You do have a problem keeping your facts straight.--Percy

Tanyptertx:

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The Conman will show us precisely how jesus controls each bacterial replication. Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

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I can explain how descent with modification and adaptation works which you can't and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski experiments. It is simple mathematics, something which biologists don't understand. Now why doesn't Tany explain the physics of how life started? You can't because this transcends the laws of physics. In other words, it was a supernatural occurrence which nobody can explain.

Sure you can, god of the gaps and all that.

Kleinman:

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You seem to have gotten a very tiny bit out of the Bible. You missed the part where Jesus said, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her".

Percy:

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So you think society should be guided by a book with obvious contradictions.

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Go for it, show the contradictions in the Bible.

Kleinman:

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And you still don't understand why STDs are so widespread in the world.

Percy:

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You still don't understand that if you want to discuss STDs you should open a new thread.

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You still don't understand, STDs are infectious diseases transmitted by the behavior of people. Do you think Covid can be transmitted by promiscuous behavior, even if they wear masks?

Kleinman:

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If you want to take advice from a witch, that is your choice. Why don't you tell us what good ideas or explanations you have gotten from witches?

Percy:

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So you believe in witches, do you?

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There are people that proclaim themselves witches, you should debate this point with them.

Kleinman:

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It is called preparation.

Percy:

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So you're not yet prepared for this discussion.

Kleinman:

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Perhaps not.

Percy:

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Maybe you should come back when you're prepared.

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Why? It has never stopped you.

Kleinman:

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That's the point, Percy. The line that you pull from these papers is not a conclusion, otherwise, they would post the data to support that conclusion. Why the authors would put in such a line is open for debate.

Percy:

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If by data you mean raw data, raw data doesn't usually appear in such papers. Depending upon the paper, typical sections are methodology, results, analysis and conclusions. If you didn't see any results or analysis then you must have been looking with your eyes closed.

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You like to post graphs. Where is your graph that shows that show that a general mask mandate reduced the spread of Covid compared with regions that didn't have a mask mandate.

Kleinman:

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It is an example of good intentions being insufficient in writing a law. It doesn't remove the stigma from someone with HIV and it doesn't prevent an unknowing person from being injured.

Percy:

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And what caused you to think this was relevant to the discussion at the time?

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Do you think a general mask mandate was done with good intentions, if so, show the data that describes the outcome.

Percy:

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Why do you think masks and vaccinations do not reduce the spread and severity of respiratory pandemics?

Kleinman:

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We can go around on this as much as you want.

Percy:

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Then answer the question instead of just asking more questions and changing the subject to polio. Why do you think masks and vaccinations do not reduce the spread and severity of respiratory pandemics?

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Where have I said that vaccinations do not reduce the severity of respiratory infections? I brought up the Sabin vaccine because it was a live attenuated virus vaccine that actually was intended to spread the attenuated virus to a all members of a household. It is a vaccine intended to spread the attenuated virus. The problem is that it mutates and becomes a disease causing virus. A vaccinated person can catch the disease and the virus can spread despite being vaccinated. Your problem is that you think a mask mandate and a vaccination solves the problem. In some cases, you can actually make it worse.

Kleinman:

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Point to the first time you wrote about this obvious point. You don't have to limit yourself to this thread.

Percy:

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Like I said, I think you're having trouble following or recalling the discussion.

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I get it, you can't point to a message that shows you understand that people with weakened immune systems and comorbidities (heart disease, cancer, diabetes, asthma,...) are at much greater risk from diseases that might be considered mild.

Kleinman:

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Even the people of New York found Cuomo's decision-making capability lacking.

Percy:

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Why did you say Cuomo was confining elderly people when he wasn't, making it impossible for anyone to know what you were talking about? And why now do you see the need to argue a point no one is contesting?

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Cuomo was sending people from the hospital to convalesent homes where elderly people were residing. This resulted in the deaths of thousands of people. He then tried to hide the data (as you noted) resulting in Cuomo being removed from office.

Kleinman:

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I notice you didn't tell us whether you think that people have a right to self-defense.

Percy:

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Do you think a covid thread is a good place to begin a discussion about the right to self-defense?

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You are the one saying health care is a right. What other rights do you think we have?

Kleinman:

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People do have a right to free medical care paid for by society according to you.

Percy:

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You do have a problem keeping your facts straight.

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Now, what are you trying to force people to do.

Kleinman:

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In other words, it was a supernatural occurrence which nobody can explain.

Tanypteryx:

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Sure you can, god of the gaps and all that.

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There are some gaps in your education, such as biological and physical sciences, and mathematics.

I can explain how dissent with a billion replications of the same inane posts produces a monstrous pile of shit with simple mathematics, something which the SHITFUCKER doesn't understand. Now why doesn't the SHITFUCKER just get the fuck out of here? He can't because this transcends the boundaries of his mind. In other words, it was a subliminally evil occurrence the arrival of which which nobody ever wants to see again.

xongsmith:

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I can explain how dissent with a billion replications of the same inane posts produces a monstrous pile of shit with simple mathematics, something which the SHITFUCKER doesn't understand. Now why doesn't the SHITFUCKER just get the fuck out of here? He can't because this transcends the boundaries of his mind. In other words, it was a subliminally evil occurrence the arrival of which which nobody ever wants to see again.

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We can conclude that xongsmith has difficulty with the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments and the mathematics that describes them. Perhaps a remedial course in mathematics could help him.

My, my, you *do* have a problem staying on topic. I just wanted to know if you really want society's goals (health related ones in this thread, of course) guided by a book full of contradictions after you described one of them yourself, about death and/or stoning to death (Deuteronony/Leviticus) or not stoning (Jesus in John).Do you want society's goals to be guided only by the Bible, or are the books of other religions allowed, too?Why shouldn't a multireligious society set health goals that are free of religious influences? Do you get things wrong on purpose, or is your comprehension really this bad? And some people think they're Napoleon. Do you argue with them, too? Yes, I can see you're in your element now. Unable to discuss intelligently, your goal is to cause chaos and bring discussion down to the mudslinging level so that onlookers can't tell who is the idiot. We can't stop you from going on this way. Only you can. Where is your graph that shows that they don't? You *do* like repeating yourself. So you *do* believe that vaccinations reduce the severity of respiratory infections? Do you also believe they can reduce the likelihood that someone will become ill with an infection? Do you understand that making illness less likely reduces spread? And that reducing spread reduces illness and death? And that therefore unvaccinated people in public spaces increase illness and death? I suggest you search the thread and see which of us was first to use the term "comorbidities". Maybe it will refresh your memory. Not surprising that you've got this backwards. Cuomo wasn't sending people to nursing homes. He was preventing nursing homes from denying admission to covid infected people. I think your mind is playing tricks on you, or perhaps it's jumping to conclusions. Is your mind usually this unreliable? Only you know, so you'll just have to tell us what your little imagination has cooked up out of thin air.--Percy

I just wanted to make sure it's understood that if I do shift to a moderating role it will be with the goal of returning the thread to constructive discussion. I will focus my attention on anyone contributing in ways that make that more difficult.