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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Who knows where Joe Biden gets his information? You would think that the President would get the best advice available since his words are transmitted everywhere. Kleinman:What is the latest advice that experts are telling physicians to give their patients when placing them on antibiotics? I've given antibiotics to thousands of patients, what should I tell them?
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Kleinman writes: Read the quote more carefully and you too won't come to this discussion so poorly prepared with a false sense of security. Sorry, rereading the excerpts didn't change my interpretation of what they're saying. If you think they say something different than what they seem to be saying then you'll have to explain. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Kleinman writes: Who knows where Joe Biden gets his information? You would think that the President would get the best advice available since his words are transmitted everywhere. You originally said it was "your so called experts," not Joe Biden, who were "telling people that vaccination prevents a person from spreading infectious disease." I don't believe there are any true experts in this field saying this. But I can easily believe that Joe Biden would say something like this, even after being properly briefed by experts. The nuances and subtleties of epidemiology aren't easily grasped.
What is the latest advice that experts are telling physicians to give their patients when placing them on antibiotics? I've given antibiotics to thousands of patients, what should I tell them? If you truly have your patients' best interests at heart, I think you should advise them to find another physician. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Punctuation.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You still don't understand why you come to this discussion poorly prepared and because of this you have a false sense of security. Perhaps, it was my use of color highlighting that confused you. Here is the quote again with different color highlighting. Interpretation The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed by these findings and contextual factors. Robust randomised trials are needed to better inform the evidence for these interventions, but this systematic appraisal of currently best available evidence might inform interim guidance.
Does that help you understand why you are so poorly prepared and have a false sense of security and that a generalized mask mandate may actually increase the spread of Covid?
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Kleinman writes: Perhaps, it was my use of color highlighting that confused you. Here is the quote again with different color highlighting.
Interpretation The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed by these findings and contextual factors. Robust randomised trials are needed to better inform the evidence for these interventions, but this systematic appraisal of currently best available evidence might inform interim guidance. Does that help you understand why you are so poorly prepared and have a false sense of security and that a generalized mask mandate may actually increase the spread of Covid? Sorry, no on both counts. Your approach to persuasion seems to be, "There! I've insulted him. That should do it." Actually explaining your interpretation might work better. --Percy
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Are you claiming that Joe Biden takes advice from people that aren't experts? Kleinman:So, you don't know what the latest advice that experts give to patients when starting them on antibiotics. Perhaps I should send them to you? Do you have any idea what the response of an infected person should be when given the correct antibiotic and the timeline of treatment?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Are you really so poorly prepared with a false sense of security that you don't understand why a generalized mask mandate may have actually increased the spread of Covid? Do you really think that the general population understands the optimum use of face masks? Not only are you poorly prepared with a false sense of security, but you are also naive.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Kleinman writes: Are you claiming that Joe Biden takes advice from people that aren't experts? If by experts you mean experts from the medical fields, I assume that Biden receives advice and information from a variety of sources, including from medical field experts. But you originally said it was "your so called experts," not Joe Biden, who were "telling people that vaccination prevents a person from spreading infectious disease." I don't believe there are any true experts in this field saying this.
So, you don't know what the latest advice that experts give to patients when starting them on antibiotics. Your responses frequently ignore or indicate no comprehension of what people actually say. Since, as I just finished saying to you, this seems to be a growing area of interest by the medical community, I think the consensus among experts might currently be in a state of flux. I sense that they're tending toward tailoring advice to each specific situation rather than providing a "one size fits all" approach.
Perhaps I should send them to you? Just post your information to the thread.
Do you have any idea what the response of an infected person should be when given the correct antibiotic and the timeline of treatment? I think patients should follow the advice of their doctors. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Kleinman writes: Are you really so poorly prepared with a false sense of security that you don't understand why a generalized mask mandate may have actually increased the spread of Covid? I'm losing hope you'll ever tell us.
Do you really think that the general population understands the optimum use of face masks? The article is not targeted at the general public. I think the intended audience understands it just fine. --Percy
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Where did Joe Biden get the idea that vaccination prevents the spreading of Covid?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Who is the target audience for the generalized use of masks? Edited by Kleinman, : correct formatting
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Maybe he misspoke, or he misunderstood.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Theodoric:That's a possible explanation. Did Joe Biden ever retract that claim? Does your wife tell her patients to finish all their antibiotics, if not, what does she advise her patients when she puts them on antibiotics?
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Kleinman writes: Where did Joe Biden get the idea that vaccination prevents the spreading of Covid? As I already said, the nuances and subtleties of epidemiology aren't easily grasped, and I can easily believe that Joe Biden would say something like this, even after being properly briefed by experts. I think you're thinking of when Biden said this at a CNN town hall on July 21, 2021:
Joe Biden: That's obviously incorrect. You later ask if these remarks were ever corrected. I could find no news item about a correction, but check out Remarks by President Biden on Fighting the COVID-19 Pandemic | The White House for him stating the case correctly. --Percy
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Where in that speech did Joe Biden correct his erroneous claim that vaccination prevents the spreading of Covid? And who is at risk from Covid, those that are vaccinated or those that are unvaccinated?
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