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Message 871 of 1110 (910168)
04-18-2023 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 870 by Kleinman
04-18-2023 2:28 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
I like explaining these things to you AZPaul3
Kleinman, have you not been paying attention? Your papers mean nothing.
The discipline has access, has intellect and has had (how many?) years to assess the efficacy of your work. They found it lacking. They found your work ignorable. Completely.
Your papers mean nothing to anyone. Explanations based on your papers mean nothing to anyone.
You still have not, cannot, explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail.
Go ask a real biologist.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 872 of 1110 (910171)
04-18-2023 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 871 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 2:53 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
I like explaining these things to you AZPaul3
AZPaul3:
Kleinman, have you not been paying attention? Your papers mean nothing.​

They may mean nothing to you and biologists that are poorly trained in biological and physical sciences, and mathematics, but to anyone that has minimal training in these areas, they get it. You are just too impatient, you expect biologists to give up their myth instantaneously.

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AZPaul3
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Message 873 of 1110 (910175)
04-18-2023 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 872 by Kleinman
04-18-2023 3:03 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
The world of the crackpot. The sky is blue but all you see is pink polka dots. Gotta keep the fantasy going. Got a god to maintain. Gotta kill evolution. Can't kill evolution if you're sane.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 874 of 1110 (910176)
04-18-2023 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 873 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 3:31 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
AZPaul3:
The world of the crackpot. The sky is blue but all you see is pink polka dots. Gotta keep the fantasy going. Gotta kill evolution. Can't kill evolution if your sane.
You are having trouble with the argument. It is universal common descent that is mathematically impossible. Biological evolution causes drug resistance to evolve and cancer treatment to fail. And here's why.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
Do you think smilies will work? Ask dwise1 how well they worked for him. And while you are at it, ask him about the "at least one" rule used in probability theory. You need some education in mathematics.

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AZPaul3
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Message 875 of 1110 (910177)
04-18-2023 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 874 by Kleinman
04-18-2023 3:44 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
It is universal common descent that is mathematically impossible.
No it is not and we know why.
Biological evolution causes drug resistance to evolve and cancer treatment to fail.
Yes it does. Just as it changes all life.
And here's why.
No these are not why. That's the point of this entire thread. Your papers explain nothing. They mean nothing.
Do you think smilies will work?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 876 of 1110 (910180)
04-18-2023 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 875 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 3:51 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
It is universal common descent that is mathematically impossible.
AZPaul3:
No it is not and we know why.

This should be good, AZPaul3 is going to explain to us how universal common descent works.
Kleinman:
Biological evolution causes drug resistance to evolve and cancer treatment to fail.
AZPaul3:
Yes it does. Just as it changes all life.

It just doesn't cause universal common descent, that is mathematically impossible. But don't let me stop you, explain to us all how universal common descent is mathematically possible.
Kleinman:
And here's why.
AZPaul3:
No these are not why. That's the point of this entire thread. Your papers explain nothing. They mean nothing.

It's not the point of this entire thread, it is the point of this entire forum. And sure, may papers explain something, for example, how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. We all know how interested you are in this topic, so I'll show you how it works.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
Kleinman:
Do you think smilies will work?
AZPaul3:


Is that the best you have?

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AZPaul3
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Message 877 of 1110 (910181)
04-18-2023 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 876 by Kleinman
04-18-2023 4:27 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
This should be good, AZPaul3 is going to explain to us how universal common descent works.
Again? How many times have I done this over the years and you want it yet again?
No.
It just doesn't cause universal common descent, that is mathematically impossible.
Of course evolution causes common descent. That's the part you're trying to kill for the violent love and ignorant glory of your god.
And it is all very possible mathematically and physically since it happened in reality.
explain to us all how universal common descent is mathematically possible.
No. If you were interested you would know already just as I do.
For a single selection pressure:
Worthless, Kleinman.
AZPaul3:
Is that the best you have?
Yeah. That's the biggest laugh in Percy's sandbox. Works just fine, makes a point, tells you that you are an idiot, doesn't take up a lot of room, easy to add. It's great.
If you want I can try to find a giant finger for you? That's more appropriate to your attitude.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 878 of 1110 (910184)
04-18-2023 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 877 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 5:16 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
This should be good, AZPaul3 is going to explain to us how universal common descent works.
AZPaul3:
Again? How many times have I done this over the years and you want it yet again?

No.

You would make a good biologist, they can't explain their mythology either.
Kleinman:
It just doesn't cause universal common descent, that is mathematically impossible.
AZPaul3:
Of course evolution causes common descent. That's the part you're trying to kill for the violent love and ignorant glory of your god.

And it is all very possible mathematically and physically since it happened in reality.

You have convinced me, you are related to fecal bacteria.
Kleinman:
explain to us all how universal common descent is mathematically possible.
AZPaul3:
No. If you were interested you would know already just as I do.

Let it be known by all biologists and others poorly trained in the biological and physical sciences, and mathematics. Universal common descent is true because AZPaul3 knows it to be so.
Kleinman:
For a single selection pressure:
AZPaul3:
Worthless, Kleinman.

Have you notified the editors and peer reviewers at Statistic in Medicine and the people at Retraction Watch – Tracking retractions as a window into the scientific process that these papers,
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
And for multiple simultaneous selection pressures
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
that these papers need to be removed?
AZPaul3:
Kleinman:
Is that the best you have?
AZPaul3:
Yeah. That's the biggest laugh in Percy's sandbox. Works just fine, makes a point, tells you that you are an idiot, doesn't take up a lot of room, easy to add. It's great.

If you want I can try to find a giant finger for you? That's more appropriate to your attitude


Find whatever you want since you and biologists can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments. This is what happens when you don't wear a mask!

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AZPaul3
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Message 879 of 1110 (910189)
04-18-2023 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 878 by Kleinman
04-18-2023 5:46 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Find whatever you want since you and biologists can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments.
I can. Biologist can. You can't.
Kleinman will now tell us how he has all the answers to questions we already have answers for and will reference his errant bogus and ignored self-published papers showing the facts on the ground from reality are mathematically impossible.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Kleinman
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Message 880 of 1110 (910191)
04-18-2023 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 879 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 6:47 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
Find whatever you want since you and biologists can't explain how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments.
AZPaul3:
I can. Biologist can. You can't.

Kleinman will now tell us how he has all the answers to questions we already have answers for and will reference his errant bogus and ignored self-published papers showing the facts on the ground from reality are mathematically impossible.

AZPaul3 will now post the biologists' explanation of how drug resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail, and why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive step in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments. He won't, but I will.
For a single selection pressure:
The basic science and mathematics of random mutation and natural selection
For multiple simultaneous selection pressures:
The mathematics of random mutation and natural selection for multiple simultaneous selection pressures and the evolution of antimicrobial drug resistance
AZPaul3 is a prophet.

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AZPaul3
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Message 881 of 1110 (910193)
04-18-2023 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 880 by Kleinman
04-18-2023 6:59 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
AZPaul3 is a prophet.
quote:
Kleinman will now tell us how he has all the answers ...
The Great Prophet AZPaul3, having spoken, is shown devine by correct revelation yet again. We are so good.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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xongsmith
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Message 882 of 1110 (910194)
04-19-2023 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 874 by Kleinman
04-18-2023 3:44 PM


Re: Universal Common Descent
Kleinbottle claims:
It is universal common descent that is mathematically impossible.
No. It is multiple descent that is mathematically impossible.
All life forms use the RNA-DNA mechanism of molecular biology. The complexity of the DNA molecule in a gene is so
staggeringly huge - way too huge for two separate lifeforms to have both come up with the same RNA-DNA mechanism.
The odds on that are so tiny it is essentially zero.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."
Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!
Enjoy every sandwich!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Kleinman
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Message 883 of 1110 (910198)
04-19-2023 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 881 by AZPaul3
04-18-2023 7:52 PM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman:
AZPaul3 is a prophet.
AZPaul3:
Kleinman will now tell us how he has all the answers ...
AZPaul3:
The Great Prophet AZPaul3, having spoken, is shown devine by correct revelation yet again. We are so good.


AZPaul3 is the prophet without profit.
Did you hear the one about the little bad boy? The little bad boy says to his father, "If you give me $10, I'll be a good boy." His father says to him, "Why son, when I was your age, I was good for nothing!"

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Kleinman
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Message 884 of 1110 (910199)
04-19-2023 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 882 by xongsmith
04-19-2023 12:36 AM


Re: Universal Common Descent
Kleinman:
It is universal common descent that is mathematically impossible.
xongsmith:
No. It is multiple descent that is mathematically impossible.

All life forms use the RNA-DNA mechanism of molecular biology. The complexity of the DNA molecule in a gene is so
staggeringly huge - way too huge for two separate lifeforms to have both come up with the same RNA-DNA mechanism.

The odds on that are so tiny it is essentially zero.

Is this your way of saying that you don't know why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutation in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments?
So, tell us how the RNA-DNA mechanism of molecular biology evolved even though you can't explain why it takes a billion replications for each adaptive mutational step to evolve in the Kishony and Lenski biological evolutionary experiments.
Since you can't do that, perhaps Richard Dawkins can.

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Percy
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Message 885 of 1110 (910200)
04-19-2023 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 866 by Kleinman
04-18-2023 10:20 AM


Re: The Right to Spread Disease
Kleinman writes:
Do you understand that a general mask mandate for the prevention of the spread of an infectious disease requires a lot of preparation of the population, (education, training,...etc.)? And what do you do with children that are too young to understand that training? Do you think that writing a law solves the problem? Yours and the "good intentions" of others that think like you have harmed a lot of people with your shallow thinking.
You don't provide examples of the kind of harm you're thinking of, but how do you balance the risk of death to a family's breadwinner against the loss of income from not working?
I'm not arguing whether a properly worn, effective mask will reduce the risk of transmission of an infectious disease. Why do you continue to argue this way? The question is whether a generalized mask mandate will reduce the spread of Covid (or for that matter any other infectious disease). Where is your evidence that any generalized mask mandate reduced the spread of Covid?
The mentions of mask mandates are all coming from you. I haven't mentioned them or commented on them. Why are you demanding evidence related to your assertions from me?
I do believe that the more that people wear high-quality masks in a public settings and the more properly they wear them, the more the spread of respiratory disease will be reduced.
Do you think that looking at a spreadsheet is the same as seeing and caring for patients?
No, I don't think that, nor did I make any comment related to that. What I did was show that your claim that Fauci had little to no clinical experience was false.
Do you think you know enough to force people to behave in ways in their own best interests?
I don't know how to make anyone do anything they don't want to do.
Try doing 150,000 documented patient encounters (encounters I got paid for) and see if you get some idea of how patients behave and respond.
Please tell us about it.
--Percy

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