COVID vaccine works - we're saved!

Kleinman:

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Do you want to lock up everyone that has a contagious disease?

xongsmith:

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No. Perhaps they should properly mask up!

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How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated?

And how many people got Covid and didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated?

Kleinman:

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How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated?

Tanypteryx:

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And how many people got Covid and didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated?

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Don't you think those numbers should be compared to see if vaccinations and masks were effective?

Yes.And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons, but the accuracy of people self reporting their own behavior during the pandemic lowers confidence in those surveys.Statistics gathered from the U.S. with 50 different state governments and the governments of 195 other countries, mandating highly variable public health policies that also morphed considerably over the course of the pandemic, should give us firmer data on what policies were most effective at protecting from infection and severe outcomes.There is more than a century worth of data on the effectiveness of both masking and vaccines in reducing infections and their severity. The Covid pandemic illustrated to the planet how unprepared for a pandemic we are and how poorly informed the public is about science and health subjects. The U.S. population discovered that almost all basic medical supplies are manufactured somewhere else and that supply lines for basic necessities are quite fragile.Medical personnel and public health officials knew almost nothing about this virus or the illness when the pandemic began and medical advice and treatment changed as the world learned more about the first major global pandemic in a century.

Kleinman:

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Don't you think those numbers should be compared to see if vaccinations and masks were effective?

Tanypteryx:

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Yes.
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And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons, but the accuracy of people self reporting their own behavior during the pandemic lowers confidence in those surveys.

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Are you claiming that you don't know whether Covid vaccinations and masks work?

No.Are you claiming that data has not been collected on the effectiveness of masks and vaccination during the Covid pandemic?

Kleinman:

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Are you claiming that you don't know whether Covid vaccinations and masks work?

Tanypteryx:

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No.
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Are you claiming that data has not been collected on the effectiveness of masks and vaccination during the Covid pandemic?

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You just said that the data is not trustworthy.

Tanypteryx:

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And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons, but the accuracy of people self reporting their own behavior during the pandemic lowers confidence in those surveys.

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Do you have the data or not? If you do post it and show us where you got it.

No I did not say that. I said that I do not know the accuracy surveys of people self reporting their masking behavior. I said, "And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons."Multiple organizations collected, analyzed, and published epidemiological data during the progression of the Covid pandemic. This data was published in many scientific journals and on the WWW. Feel free to dispute that.

Kleinman:

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Do you have the data or not? If you do post it and show us where you got it.

Tanypteryx:

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I said, "And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons."
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Multiple organizations collected, analyzed, and published epidemiological data during the progression of the Covid pandemic. This data was published in many scientific journals and on the WWW. Feel free to dispute that.

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What a surprise, you don't have the data.

kleinman inquires: I don't have the exact numbers, but it was a vastly smaller group and they got a much milder version.Percy published many plots showing this in a clear presentation.

Kleinman:

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How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated?

xongsmith:

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I don't have the exact numbers, but it was a vastly smaller group and they got a much milder version.
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Percy published many plots showing this in a clear presentation.

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Post the message number where Percy reports how many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated and the number of people that got Covid and didn't wear a mask and did not get vaccinated. Here's your big chance to make your point.

the asshole asks: Message 601 for one. but you could have seen that. why don't you quit being an asshole and look things up yourself?

What a surprise, you don't think any epidemiological data exists. You don't think masks or vaccines have been effective at preventing any serious illnesses from Covid because it doesn't prevent every single serious illness.Good grief, for 3 years we have heard daily that the preventative measures are NOT 100% effective with often detailed descriptions of what that means. Are you disputing this, really? Are you disputing that precise records of vaccination for Covid have been collected and compiled and analyzed worldwide and that records of serious illness and deaths from Covid patients along with their vaccination status have been collected and can be analyzed?My wife and I have had a mix of Moderna and Pfizer vaccines for Covid and we still wear masks in public and we do not eat in public. We have not had Covid or any other respiratory infections in more than 3 years. Plus it's a perfect excuse to avoid public events we wanted to avoid anyway.

Kleinman:

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Post the message number where Percy reports how many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated and the number of people that got Covid and didn't wear a mask and did not get vaccinated. Here's your big chance to make your point.

xongsmith:

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Message 601 for one. but you could have seen that. why don't you quit being an asshole and look things up yourself?

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You are having difficulty understanding my request. That post only compares the death rate for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Since you want to throw people in jail for not wearing a mask, I'll post the request again, from Message 731.

Kleinman:

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Post the message number where Percy reports how many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated and the number of people that got Covid and didn't wear a mask and did not get vaccinated. Here's your big chance to make your point.

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Now, try again, post Percy's message number that presents data showing that masks make a significant difference in getting or not getting Covid. If you can't find that in any of Percy's messages, you can post a link and a quote from any agency you want.

Kleinman:

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What a surprise, you don't have the data.

Tanypteryx:

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What a surprise, you don't think any epidemiological data exists. You don't think masks or vaccines have been effective at preventing any serious illnesses from Covid because it doesn't prevent every single serious illness.

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You sure have a strange way of saying that you don't have the data. Why would you think that I equate masks with vaccinations? I've given vaccines to many, many people, have you?