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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Kleinman writes: How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated? And how many people got Covid and didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Don't you think those numbers should be compared to see if vaccinations and masks were effective?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Tanypteryx writes: Kleinman writes: How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated? And how many people got Covid and didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated? Kleinman writes: Don't you think those numbers should be compared to see if vaccinations and masks were effective?
Yes. And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons, but the accuracy of people self reporting their own behavior during the pandemic lowers confidence in those surveys. Statistics gathered from the U.S. with 50 different state governments and the governments of 195 other countries, mandating highly variable public health policies that also morphed considerably over the course of the pandemic, should give us firmer data on what policies were most effective at protecting from infection and severe outcomes. There is more than a century worth of data on the effectiveness of both masking and vaccines in reducing infections and their severity. The Covid pandemic illustrated to the planet how unprepared for a pandemic we are and how poorly informed the public is about science and health subjects. The U.S. population discovered that almost all basic medical supplies are manufactured somewhere else and that supply lines for basic necessities are quite fragile. Medical personnel and public health officials knew almost nothing about this virus or the illness when the pandemic began and medical advice and treatment changed as the world learned more about the first major global pandemic in a century.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Are you claiming that you don't know whether Covid vaccinations and masks work?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Tanypteryx writes: Tanypteryx writes: Kleinman writes: How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated? And how many people got Covid and didn't wear a mask or get vaccinated? Kleinman writes: Don't you think those numbers should be compared to see if vaccinations and masks were effective?
Yes. And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons, but the accuracy of people self reporting their own behavior during the pandemic lowers confidence in those surveys. Kleinman writes: Are you claiming that you don't know whether Covid vaccinations and masks work? No. Are you claiming that data has not been collected on the effectiveness of masks and vaccination during the Covid pandemic?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You just said that the data is not trustworthy. Tanypteryx:Do you have the data or not? If you do post it and show us where you got it.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Tanypteryx writes: Kleinman writes: Are you claiming that you don't know whether Covid vaccinations and masks work? No. Are you claiming that data has not been collected on the effectiveness of masks and vaccination during the Covid pandemic? Kleinman writes: You just said that the data is not trustworthy.
Tanypteryx writes: And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons, but the accuracy of people self reporting their own behavior during the pandemic lowers confidence in those surveys. No I did not say that. I said that I do not know the accuracy surveys of people self reporting their masking behavior.
Kleinman writes: Do you have the data or not? If you do post it and show us where you got it. I said, "And I assume that many different public health organizations did those comparisons." Multiple organizations collected, analyzed, and published epidemiological data during the progression of the Covid pandemic. This data was published in many scientific journals and on the WWW. Feel free to dispute that.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:What a surprise, you don't have the data.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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kleinman inquires:
How many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated? I don't have the exact numbers, but it was a vastly smaller group and they got a much milder version. Percy published many plots showing this in a clear presentation."I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:Post the message number where Percy reports how many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated and the number of people that got Covid and didn't wear a mask and did not get vaccinated. Here's your big chance to make your point.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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the asshole asks:
Post the message number where Percy reports how many people got Covid despite the fact they wore masks and got vaccinated and the number of people that got Covid and didn't wear a mask and did not get vaccinated. Here's your big chance to make your point. Message 601 for one. but you could have seen that. why don't you quit being an asshole and look things up yourself?"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned! Enjoy every sandwich! - xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Kleinman writes: What a surprise, you don't have the data. What a surprise, you don't think any epidemiological data exists. You don't think masks or vaccines have been effective at preventing any serious illnesses from Covid because it doesn't prevent every single serious illness. Good grief, for 3 years we have heard daily that the preventative measures are NOT 100% effective with often detailed descriptions of what that means. Are you disputing this, really? Are you disputing that precise records of vaccination for Covid have been collected and compiled and analyzed worldwide and that records of serious illness and deaths from Covid patients along with their vaccination status have been collected and can be analyzed? My wife and I have had a mix of Moderna and Pfizer vaccines for Covid and we still wear masks in public and we do not eat in public. We have not had Covid or any other respiratory infections in more than 3 years. Plus it's a perfect excuse to avoid public events we wanted to avoid anyway.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You are having difficulty understanding my request. That post only compares the death rate for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Since you want to throw people in jail for not wearing a mask, I'll post the request again, from Message 731. Kleinman:Now, try again, post Percy's message number that presents data showing that masks make a significant difference in getting or not getting Covid. If you can't find that in any of Percy's messages, you can post a link and a quote from any agency you want.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 364 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
Kleinman:You sure have a strange way of saying that you don't have the data. Why would you think that I equate masks with vaccinations? I've given vaccines to many, many people, have you?
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