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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I wish nobody had ever said that. It's a stupid mangling of word meanings. The present is a gift"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
Since you're almost as smart as a five-year-old, show us your "proof". Even a five year-old child could prove that I'm taller than an ant ... but apparently, science can't."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If you haven't learned the subject, how can you comment on it? Specifically, how can you tell other people they are wrong about it?
I don't have time to learn the subject... Phat writes:
But we already know what believers believe. Many of us used to believe it ourselves. Many of us know more about your beliefs than you do.
... any more than any of you take the time to learn what believers believe... Phat writes:
Many of us have done exactly that. We came from where you are and realized that the belief was worthless. In order for you to understand belief, you would literally have to suspend your intuitive demands for evidence and simply declare that you trust God (should He exist)."Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Phat has devolved into being a troll. Kind of sad. He used to at least make a semi-coherent argument. Maybe that was when he stuck to the Faith forum, which is basically just bullshit anyway.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Prime example of word salad.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
The Gideons (who put Bibles in hotel rooms) used to give a New Testament to every Public School student in Grade Five. I don't suppose they're allowed to do that any more. We were all given Bibles to read/study (ours to keep forever.)-the Bibles we were given were these small, red versions. I don't remember what version specifically... but I'm pretty sure they were New Testament only, not the entire Bible. "Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Of course we have a say. Ever hear of free will? I pick my own friends. Humans have enough of an ego that they attempt to define what God *should* do and be in order to qualify for the position. As if we had any say!"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
well...we have a say in what *we* do but no say (apart from uninformed opinions) about what God should do. the Book explains how we *should* relate to God and Jesus, but provides a few examples of how *they* should relate to us. After all, what standard is higher?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Next thing you know, they will change the wording on the money to "In Gods We Trust".
Or even worse, In Humanity We Trust. As if humanity has not caused all wars and economic crashes!"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
All it really suggests is "Live For Today. Today is sacred." Too many people live in the past
and/or dream of a future with no regard for reality. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: And that was a mistake. It was devolution rather than evolution. Sadly, the world will have to figure out this mistake the hard way. We came from where you are and realized that the belief was worthless. One prime example is the devolution of money. Money used to be backed by something solid and concrete. Now, due to our enlightened view of economics, money floats on the confidence that nations have for each other...a source that can change on a dime. (pun intended )
Many of us know more about your beliefs than you do. I challenge that. How can you know my own unique thought process, prayer life, and decisions I make? All you have to go on is my historical statements, my current behavior, and what my "in-group" believes. And you don't even know them!!"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If I turned into a troll, *you* turned into a one-sentence critic who imagines that he knows more than the rest of us. Sad, but expected.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Phat writes: [...] the Holy Spirit is a bit like having cellphone service. The important difference is that cellphone service exists (most of the time) and the Holy Spirit doesn't.
God initially allowed (had to allow) evil to exist Really? had to allow? So God couldn't not allow evil to exist? Well, that's a bummer... So much for God's omnipotence.
Humans needed exposure to the spirit of evil [...] to finally become benevolent like God. Why? Couldn't God just create them perfect in one go?
[...] the freewill doctrine. So we have free will. God allows us to make our own choices. But if we choose wrong hell and damnation awaits us. What kind of free will is that?
[...] if not only evil but God Himself was eliminated from the equation the problem realistically wouldn't go away. You're saying that with or without God the problem persists. So, essentially, God is useless. I knew that already, and now so do you. I hope you now also realise that all these brain contortions to explain away all the inevitable inconsistencies your religious belief engenders are quite unnecessary if you would just stick to rationalism."Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Correcting the mistake was a mistake? You're going to have to do a hell of a lot more than just asserting that.
And that was a mistake. Phat writes:
You should know better than that by now. There's no such thing as "devolution".
It was devolution rather than evolution. Phat writes:
Are you confusing devaluation with devolution?
One prime example is the devolution of money. Phat writes:
No you don't. You don't even accept the challenge when I challenge you.
ringo writes:
I challenge that. Many of us know more about your beliefs than you do. Phat writes:
From your posts.
How can you know my own unique thought process, prayer life, and decisions I make? Phat writes:
My historical statements, my current behaviour and what my in-group believes beat yours.
All you have to go on is my historical statements, my current behavior, and what my "in-group" believes. Phat writes:
Sure I do. Try me. And you don't even know them!!"Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It suggests that you don't know the two meanings of the word "present".
All it really suggests is "Live For Today. Today is sacred." Phat writes:
Like the people who believe in gold? It's the standard of the past and an empty hope for the future. Too many people live in the pastand/or dream of a future with no regard for reality. "Let me win. But if I cannot win, let me be brave in the attempt." -- motto of the Special Olympians
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