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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yawn.
You once again dance away, palm the pea, try to move the goal posts, look for anyway possible to keep from admitting you market a vile, evil god unworthy or respect or worship. How utterly pitiful.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You seem impervious to reason or rationality Phat.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: So if God created all humans, and only later separated them into sheep and goats after they had lived out their life choices its kosher, right? No. The evil is in creating not in any final result. The evil is a god that creates someone or something that the god already knows is damned.
Phat writes: But my point is what difference would it make if God knew what our choices would be before we made them? How does that added knowledge stamp the Deity as evil (at least in the eyes of humans)? Is it because we would have expected Him to save all of us, like Joe Woods hypothetical Warlord? No Phat. It is the very act of creating that individual that is so vile and evil. It is a matter of when some show trial is held. Before even creating that individual the god you market knew that individual was damned.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes I know what evil is. And I am not evil. And evil is a human construct and defined by social standards the vary from group to group and era to era.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Keep in mind, however, that we are talking hypothetically and in no way realistically. We have no idea what God knows, knew, or will know. Neither you nor I. And the fact of the matter is God Is how God Is. What we get is what we get. Of course you could argue that we have the duty to simply throw Him away, become accountable only to our charge and internal conscience, and do what we intuitively know we should be doing. Which would solve the problem of a potentially evil God. I am most definitely not speaking hypothetically and in every way realistically. But the reality is that you and all the Apologists market a God that has foreknowledge and is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen and that some people will get sent to hell. That God the you and the Apologists market is vile, evil, unworthy of respect or worship and needs to be throw away or opposed. Throw that God away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes, according to the definition of evil that is common throughout modern civilization creating a living being knowing that being will be damned throughout eternity is evil.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Go away kid. Back to the small table.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: Do humans define God? Is it possible that God exists apart from human definition? Yes, of course any and every god humans can discuss is created by humans and only exits in the minds of humans.
Phat writes: Why is it that the apologists of necessity market a false God? Because it is easy and profitable and gives them a feeling of power. Also because they simply don't know how to think and never acknowledge the utter silliness and contradictions built into the god they market.
Phat writes: What characteristics make this God false? The fact that they market an omniscient creator of all that is seen and unseen who also judges creation and rewards or punishes that creation.
Phat writes: And if so, by what method can we determine what God is actually like? Short of dying I cannot see any possible way and all the evidence supports the fact that no one has ever done so.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I disagree with your assertion that God can never be known yet there is no way that I can describe to you how I feel it is possible in my own life. How does the way you feel differ from the way the Mulim feels about Allah or the Hindi feels about Ganesh or the Buddhist feels about Buddha or the Satanist feels about Satan or ...
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You really really can't read can you or is it that you really really don't want to read.
We can certainly judge the god you and the Apologists market and that is what I and the others have been explaining to you if, and only if, you actually read and comprehend what is being explained to you. The issue is not with any judgement, it is with the very act of creation. The god you and the Apologists try to market has been judged and found wanting long before Matthew 25.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Once again you simply refuse to think about what is said to you and respond with sillies.
Each of the others mentioned make the very same claims about the god they market as you make about your creation. What makes your feelings valid?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: I'm defending the apologists because for the life of me I can't yet figure out why you see their arguments as unrealistic apart from your insistence that they market a "God" Who foreknows damnation. That very well could be realistic...I'm not sure why not. You still have no ears. The issue is they market and you have always bought, a god that creates a living being KNOWING that individual living being with be damned for all eternity. The issue is that they pervert and demean and diminish the message of Jesus and misrepresent the Bible and the Creeds and the teachings of Jesus. The issue is that they market anything that will be easy to sell. The issue is that they market that their flock should not think, not question, not believe that what is written in the Bible stories and in the Creeds is what is actually written in the Bible stories and the creeds. The issue is that they are simply conmen, carny hucksters, comedians, shysters and pettifoggers. The issue is that they are without worth, without honor and without merit. The issue is that they are very, very, very successful in promoting a flock of willing dupes.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: Love God(and I'm assuming serve Him) And you don't see how utterly silly that statement is. There is absolutely NOTHING you could do for a real god. The only way to "serve god" is to (see part deux). Saying that you are serving god is truly not just throwing god away but diminishing and demeaning god.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Busy talking to adults.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: The issue is only that God allowed evil to become actualized through a fallen angel. Humans know the difference between good and evil, but they choose what is good in their own eyes rather than accept Jesus Christ and by extension the Holy Spirit. Now....tell me why this concept as "marketed" is evil? The only "Being" that God foreknows to be evil is satan himself. Humans destiny is on them...not on Him. So once again you change your position but fail to even see it. You also stray again away from what is actually written in the Bible stories them selves. So are you now saying that the god you market is NOT omnicient?
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