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Percy

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Message 442 of 1444 (784217)
05-14-2016 12:36 PM

Reply to: Message 440 by kbertsche
05-14-2016 12:07 PM

Re: Definition of free will

kbertsche writes:

Second, there is a huge difference. In a directed, predetermined world with no free will, we would be automatons, with no input or choice in what happens. In what I suggested, we would have free will and would be able to affect the course of events. Whether or not someone knows ahead-of-time what we will decide has no affect on our ability to choose or cause.

Doesn't truly knowing beforehand what we will do but still calling it free will change the definition of free will to something impossible in our universe, since truly knowing anything beforehand would rule out quantum uncertainty?

Our knowledge *is* imperfect, so quantum uncertainty may reflect yet unknown but deterministic laws of nature, but should philosophical arguments we make today discount current science?

--Percy

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Message 1415 of 1444 (897494)
09-06-2022 2:15 PM

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09-06-2022 2:13 PM

Re: Sheep & Goat Behavior and Gods Foreknowledge

Please get some help.

--Percy

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Message 1443 of 1444 (912377)
08-27-2023 6:49 PM

Reply to: Message 1442 by Phat
08-27-2023 3:44 PM

Re: Literary Character or Literal Character?

Phat writes:

Tangle writes:

Phat writes:

Nope. Not just like me. I have also thought I had until I did.

So you thought you had twice, yeh two delusions beat one, you win.

Are we going to push buttons or are we going to go fishing?

I don't see how this is a response to what Tangle said. When he said he deluded himself once about having met God, and you've deluded yourself twice, he's pointing out the fallibility of such beliefs.

I'm sure everyone's fine with you believing you've met God. But if you want other people to believe you've met God then you need a bit more than "Have too!"

--Percy

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