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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6506 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
There could be a god, gods, demi gods, supernatural killer pickles, demon farts (this one's for you Stephen) or anything else anyone wishes to come up with. However, there is no way to know, no way to go about knowing, and no way to determine which is correct among the infinite possibilities (not to mention that there is no way to falsify anything supernatural)...so as Dan indicated..who cares or why should I care?
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6506 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
The misuse of science is a clear case of ignorance. However, I also have to wonder what the motivation is for even attempting to misuse or mischaracterize science in order to support ones religious beliefs. I am beginning to conclude that it is a result of very shallow and fragile faith on the part of creationists. Thus they seek support from any kind of unlikely source and are unable/unwilling to understand anything that contradicts their worldview. They do not seem to have a clear reason for believing what they believe and feel threatened by anything that challenges their beliefs. Maybe that is also why it is the fundies/poorly educated that see evolution in conflict with their beliefs in the first place. Everything seems threatening when you have no clue and at the same time it is easy to believe in things that conflict with observable reality when you are scared as well...some are even scared of farts (though I have to admit..after eating a Whopper with extra cheese one would tend to fear my demon farts as well).
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6506 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
quote: Who says the possibilities are not infinite? There may be a difference between monotheism and polytheism but there is not way to support or refute the veracity of either. I find niether compelling..so regarding god/gods/supernatural whatevers, why should I care?
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6506 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
Hi Phatboy,
quote: I am not denying that you have the right to the choice you made. However, this last statement is wrong. A Hindu for example does not have an infinite number of choices. They have a restricted pantheon of gods they worship. I am an atheist so I have no choices. However, whether you worship one god, many gods, or are merely superstitious, this is not something you arrive at objectively and is not supportable with fact. Hence it is faith. That is why many of us are arguing with CreationMan because he claims god is a self evident fact and that this conclusion is logical..it is also one reason why those of us who do not believe are asking "who cares?" with regard to the topic of the post.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6506 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
It also begs the question, if god creates all people ex nihilo..why does genetics so convincingly show that we are directly related to our parents? Why can one do a geneology at all? Maybe CreationMan is yet another Storkist? On the other hand, if all of these discoveries are to be attributed to some mythological being rather than to the actual scientists who made the discovery..does that make patents irrelevant...run on out and copy those drugs CreationMan...god made your viagra just to get a rise out of you.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6506 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
quote: Random processes can lead to non-random outcomes...the underlying mutations that drive evolution are random..natural selection which drive many mutations (and phenotypes) to high frequency is not. So that argument is pointless. That the orginal replicating molecules on the planet arose by random process does not mean that subsequent evolution was random. I could just as easily say that a Giant Pink Unicorn makes you believe in your god by hitting you with an invisible handgranade full of drugs and it would be just as logical as your example 1.
quote: How do you know you actually believe in god? How do you know you believe in the right one? How do you know there are not millions of gods....you have absolutely no basis in reality for your beliefs. That is why it is called faith. The atheist does not know that there is no god/gods/all powerful pink unicorns...but there is no evidence for any supernatural beings so he/she does not care....again why should I care about mythological dieties?
quote: Even if there is a god..one can not be sure they are percieving reality.?
quote: Rationally you cannot show supporting evidence or a testable and falsifiable hypothesis that your god exists. Everyone, believer or not determines the "truth" themselves..even among the "true believers" there is a wide range of "truths". AiG...that lovely bastion of misinformation and poor logic...gotta love it.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6506 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
quote: If you can only feel him in your personal relation to him, that makes him useless for me. In addition, anecdote or personal preferences hardly answer the question of the title of this thread.
quote:There are millions of people who believe in other god/gods or diety like beings (Buddhists for example)..millions do not believe in your god..millions of people believe in really strange superstitious things. That hardly makes them right. quote: Smart people make mistakes to ..in any case, that is hardly evidence of a god either...smart people put their money in stocks that tank. Mr.Hambre is smart yet he thinks Kid Rock can sing..go figure
quote: but you did anyway...the bible saying the bible is correct is circular reasoning and not evidence.
quote:You have no way to support or refute that statement..maybe if you don't pray you will find out that I am right..or maybe you will personally discover that Vishnu is the true god..it is completely devoid of evidence, testability or falsifiablity...so why should I care? quote: It is fine with me what you believe. I am not trying to change your beliefs in your god...however, your personal beliefs still do not really addresss "Does god really exist???" or why I should care. cheers,M
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