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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's a pathetic joke. The strata span entire continents and you've got them building up in a river valley and even leaving the landscape intact around them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You didn't say not to respond to this so I'm responding.
I have added some to my topic proposal in answer to Dr. A's insulting and ridiculous explanation of how strata form. I haven't yet tried to deal with the corrections you request there though. I really prefer to use casual concepts in discussing these things, we shouldn't have to be prissily scientific about everything and even when I try to do that edge never understands me anyway so what's the point. However I do intend to add some more scientific language as you ask. I don't see a role for me on this thread though. If you don't want to promote the proposal I still don't see a role for me here.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know it from looking at the surface, I know it from all the cross sections that have been discussed here.
I don't accept that the seismic images show formerly surface features, but rather features that developed underground. There is so much evidence that the strata deposited continuously over a short period of time such very occasional internal features could not have been on the surface long enough to explain their dimensions.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They were looking in the wrong place.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They were looking for the evidence in particular layers, not in the entire geological column. Some people still have that wrong idea.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No I don't remember.
Doesn't matter though, there IS a ton of evidence for the rapid deposition of the entire column. I'll try to make a list of it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The column has many local versions but the Geo Time Scale incorporates them all. Which are you all talking about? I'm surprised anybody would say the complete Geo Time Scale can't exist in any one place. I've never said that, and I've seen many cases where the whole range of time periods is represented.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's an impressive description of how a geologist thinks. It's really amazing how the human mind has such organizing power that even a random ink blot, or the random depositions of sediments and dead things by a worldwide Flood, can be perceived as a coherent meaningful story.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As usual, it's a little more complicated than that. Both the distribution of rocks and the distribution of fossils are hardly 'random'. They are formed by processes which leave behind evidence in the form of patterns that tell us something about the rocks themselves. This is something that YECs need to understand. Geology is not random. If randomness were the case, then predictive tools such as basin analysis and palynology (paleontology) would not be possible. And yet, there you are drilling into formations that might not exist in the case of random geology. I think you may have missed my point. Yes, GEOLOGY is not random but the stuff it interprets, the result of the Flood, IS random in reality, which makes it a marvel how you find such apparently consistent patterns to analyze. I spent some time studying the Rorschach test years ago, how different people deal with the random inkblots. Some "see" the most amazingly complex coherent scenes in them. The more coherent and complex the perception the higher the intelligence as a general rule, according to psychologists.
I'm not sure how to get this across to YECs. Maybe more exposure to the field, or some practical examples. I don't know either, but I think it's possible to appreciate a lot of the work geologists do without being persuaded by the Old Earth interpretations.
TAD, I might recommend, The Map that Changed the World for a presentation on how geology started moving from a 'natural philosophy' to an actual science, although someone must have already recommended it to you somewhere in this thread. It's all about patterns and processes. I love William Smith's map, wish I had a coherent copy of it to study. Just looked through the book at Amazon, might actually get it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Lava has burbled up through sedimentary layers and spilled over them in many locations. The Grand Canyon even. The Siberian traps. Sometimes forming sills between layers, sometimes just pushing up to the top and forming lava fields.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No I don't have a Floodist explanation, just a tentative guess that both must have precipitated out of water as all the other sediments did.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So they fell out of suspension, they dropped out of the water anyway. But limestones may precipitate out as petro said, and that would be the Tapeats and the Muav.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are right, the Tapeats is sandstone and I shouldn't have included it.
I think that, for a layman, the confusion is understandable. I would think so. One way or another it appears that the sedimentary particles dropped out of water, whether by precipitation or by falling out of suspension.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But we were talking about diatomite and volcanic tuff. So how do you explain the layering of the diatomite and tuff? The layers look like all the other layers which were deposited from water.
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