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From what you have written so far to my posts, I consider it a compliment that you think I have no clue. If you ever thought I had a clue, I would worry that I was losing objectivity and logical thought.

Faith,
Consider posting in a manner that doesn't insult the intelligence of the reader.
If you can't help it, at least quote something from the bible to support...random chance not occurring in life, "casting lots" was something god did for awhile like all the other gods, but he pulled that off the table later and then let dice fall randomly. But life doesn't have random chance either.
It's so ridiculous that it's impossible to consider you have a rational thought. If you can't at least show from the bible where you get this illogical thinking, maybe don't post ridiculous stuff.

No nukes, I am familiar with the superstition of casting lots. There is no comment in the bible for or against it as far as god is concerned, in the bible. As you suggest.
It was also used by every other god/ religion with the same claim as ancients in bible.. the god of the day influenced the outcome.
So asking Faith to prove when it was in play and when it wasn't. There is no biblical answer.
She's making it up. This appears to be a rationalization with no evidence before when lots were in play or after. I could just as easily make up my own answer. I could say that superstitious ancients were using this before Yahweh. Using it with other gods. It's simply superstition and always has been.
Thanks for the information on this by the way.

I started this off with this:
Which of these absurdities are fact
Which of these absurdities are fact
2 Kg 2:23-24. God sends two bears to kill 42 kids for teasing a prophet about a bald headSodom/GomorrahNumbers 16:49 god kills 14,700 for complaining about his killings2 Chronicles 14:9-14 God slew a million Ethiopians in either God's biggest mass murder in the bible or maybe second to the flood. The boys snuck this massacre in the bible with little fan fare.Number 31:1-35. Midianite massacre where the boys keep the virgins for themselves to rape.I consider all these such a poor example of any form of morality. The opposite of what any normal person would consider "appropriate" in any way. There are many of these in the bible. A hundred would not be an over exaggeration. It's, in my opinion, so outright absurd.....I can't see them as reality. If Christians do believe them, what nice moral story would someone pick as a bed time story out of the bible for their child?I don't mean to nit pick 42 bears. That isn't the issue really.
What kind of story do we have here. Some kids tease a guy with a bald head. Is that right to do.. of course not. But it's kids and it's exceedingly minor. What is the purported biblical justice for this minor thing. Kill every kid by god sending two bears to maul them. I mean, this is perverted. Who thinks like that? Well the prophet does or the writer does or god does. Take our pick. ( Noah's myth is the same. Sodom/Gomorrah the same).
The fact I don't think any of them happened is partly beside the point.
Because if somebody does believe they happened, then they need a lot of explaining as to why.

Do you have a shred of evidence for your belief ?

Loved the answer GDR. Thanks for that.
I disagree with everything but I think it's great none the less. Would you mind telling me which, if any, of these claims are valid
- the gospel writers are anonymous
- there are no eye witness writers to Jesus
- Paul believed a spiritual Jesus and not a bodily form, just recently resurrected, but rather was resurrected some time in the long distant past
- The first Gospel was Mark and others copied him
- Marks screws up the geography and clearly the writer wasn't familiar with the area
- Matthew copies Mark, adding embellishment and fixing Mark's geography screw ups
- the NT contains essentially nothing unique but rather mirrors the pagan gods before
- the birth accounts and resurrection accounts are not reconcilable
- they copy Mark but the writers had no expectation their writing would end up in a book read by billions . So writers had no expectation their writings would be compared to other gospel writers, showing obvious contradictions. Nor did they expect it to be compared to other books in the bible..again pointing out obvious contradiction
- Jesus evolves in the bible from the earliest writer Paul, to the next Mark, then embellished by the copiers Matthew, Luke, John. They all depict a different type of Jesus.
- there are no OT prophecies of Jesus. Rather a cherry picked quote mine occurs.
- Jesus' own prophecies failThis is off the top of my head. Do you believe any of this. Or none of it?
This isn't baiting and I'm not teeing you up so I can swing the driver. I am genuinely interested in your response.

Jar,
I know technically faith is belief without evidence. I find it's rarely used that way.
We have a rare deist or theist who will say " I believe because I want to believe. I know it's not rational and there is no evidence. I believe anyway".Then the other end where every word of the bible is true and it is the best evidence man kind has ever seen. These individuals are not debatable, in my view, and they have given up on rational thought. In my view.Then there are most who believe some things in the bible and not other things, but the bible is still evidence.Then some who believe nothing specifically in the bible, but think in general it points to a truth. They often say the bible isn't evidence.Anyway, that was kind of where I was going or thinking with the evidence question.

Thanks GDR Well if you go through them point by point we'll debate every single point no doubt.))
I think the NT is book compiled with an agenda that has nothing to do with truth or facts.
It's obviously my view. I have been Catholic most of my life. Many years ago I really started reading the studying the bible, in my later Christian years. I read a lot of outside sources and poured through the bible time and time again. I conclude it's fraud. However, that is my view on any religion..man made fraud.

I should avoid responding to anything you write. This is so irrational it's mind boggling.
Consider casting lots like rolling a few dice. Every roll is random.
Here's what you are saying. " Sometimes" god is giving an answer to the heathens.
Well, the heathens get an answer every time they roll the dice. Every roll gives an answer.
If sometimes god is actually controlling the result but only " sometime", but every time you get a result. There is absolutely no way to determine if the result is random or " god controlled". Then you said before god did this for a while in an undetermined past and then changed his mind later and decided he'd let these things be random. But he was only "sometime" really doing it, when he actually was doing it. Amazing!
You display the obvious randomness of casting lots in your thought process. It's random and varied and there is no logic.

No Nukes I want to respond to your car accident analogy to inconsistencies of resurrection. On the surface this is very plausible.However,
There is actually no evidence we had a car accident. The historical writers around that time that should have written about the accident, did not. Further the trial leading up to the accident, besides not being recorded ( which was not unusual) but it was done in manner never done by Pilate ever before. That is letting the crowd influence the trial. That is without precedent and inconceivable the psychopathic Pilate would let a crowd rule on anything. He did the ruling.
Okay, no evidence of a car accident.Let's look at the writers of the accident.
They were superstitious. Believing in casting lots, fortune telling, astrology. The equilavent today of believing in say BigFoot, alien implanted tracking devices and using your horoscope to guide you. By today's standards they are loons. They are not very credible by today's standards.They never witnessed a thing they write about. They were at best hearsay writers ( not allowed in a court of law today) and at worse making the whole thing up.
Then, like every religion in the history of mankind including today, they write to increase converts. So they aren't even without bias. Like getting paid by an insurance company to give an accident report.What do they say. Well for some unknown reason they don't actually report the car accident for 30, 40 up to maybe 90 years after it happened.The first writer called Mark, was not even in the area of the car accident because he gets the geography all screwed up.The other purported witnesses, well they copy this Mark and add there own spin. One writer even helps get Mark's geography correct.In the end we have no evidence of a car accident, no eye witnesses, purported witnesses that by todays standard would be loons, they copy each other, and are not unbias.

You should be embarrassed posting this. I'm embarrassed for you. I would hope my wife would commit me to a mental institute if I ever said something like this.
Are you serious? I'm scared you believe what you actually write.

Well you said it alright a day or so ago. Also used the bar fight analogy. Okay. What about 30, 40, 90 years old hearsay? Ah crap, I have to look the thing up again. There's at least one paper on it specifically. The trial was a type never done before. So much so, you could almost swear they made it up. I have a few sources on this other than one paper. I've read them all but damn it's a while now. If I find the time, I'll try and re-find them. If I can't it's because I can't remember where. Actually you were arguing to support they were very superstitious. So was I. Does that superstition not apply in some situations where it's not all that convenient for you?

It's clear to me. They don't meet modern standards by any means. Believing fortune telling, casting lots, astrology is superstitious. Most logical people do not accept that today. Most everyone did with the ancients. That isn't credible. Not to mention resurrection was not unusual. We have Lazarus, daughter Jairus, and all the saints when graves were open. It's a regular zombie fest. Then other gods were resurrecting as well. Well the source is the problem. Who knows the source, it's not known.
Unknown writing on a piece of paper is not a cash register receipt. And your Mom needs more than a receipt to prove SHE bought it. But I'd likely trust your mom and agree. The biblical, unknown, superstitious ancients with an agenda, copying and contradiction. Why trust that?

Sorry no nukes. My error.

I change my thought. If I ever think god is controlling how dice come up. I hope my wife commits me.
If I ever think god determines lottery winners, I'll commit myself.
If I ever figure out how to fine tune my muscles in my hand, time it with my eye, control each die and get rolls I like. I will call myself a cheater.Otherwise it's all random.