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Can you quote that one from the Bible?

Why does it have to be like that? If God wants to give a message, does he need to accommodate to your or anybody's requirements?The Bible is hard to understand. I don't know, but maybe God wants people to look for him with all their hearts. You are more likely to appreciate that which is hard to get

Who says the best possible way is necessarily the easiest way for all of us to understand? Don’t you feel more proud of yourself when you achieve something that was hard for you? Don’t you value it more? I already answered your question in my last post but I’ll try again, and like I said, I don’t know but maybe we will value more the message if we had to work hard to understand it. It’s not impossible, but is not easy at all I think you are underestimating the Bible. And what makes you think those people were simple? What make us less simple? Technology? Our life is more fancy but we had the advantage of the knowledge accumulated through much more generations. By the way we also have created a lot of problems, haven’t we? What if they were smarter than us? What if they saw things we didn’t? You think the Bible is simple because you look at the surface, but you have to dig deeper to find it’s richness and that takes hard work. You don’t seem to be interested in the Bible, and that’s ok, you don’t have to like it; but if you ever try hard to look for God’s message in it, I’m sure you’ll find it

You seem to give to "best" and "easy" the same meaning It's universal as is available for anybody who wants to get it. It is not about IQ, it is about give your best to learn from God But that doesn't make them less smart. They could've had less knowledge in, say, technology than us, but they could've been more skilled than us at the moment of using their own knowledge. And like I said they could've seen things we didn't It seems to me that if you read a car repair manual with the same interest that you put in reading the Bible, all you will learn from the whole manual is how to check the engine oil level Again, it is not about how would I or you give a universal message, but how God has done it. If you wanted to understand God's message you'd need to accommodate to His way of talking, not the other way around. You look at it from your own logic and biases, you would need and easy message in order to believe, one that you wouldn't need to work hard to get it, and that I think, is not gonna happen

And where exactly does it says that "damned" means burn in hell forever? That's what I was asking That's not "God's message". God's message is in the whole Bible, is much more than that. There are many tough passages like that one, which I don't like either, but are there for a reason which I hope to understand one day. But from the little things I can get from the Bible is more than enough for me to realize that God loves us and wants us to be happy

You are betting on their intellectual abilities and assuming they were ignorant, and clearly underestimating them. But there's no way you can know you are right or wrong on your bet I think we are going in circles here. You are saying pretty much what you had already said. I understand your point but I disagree and I think I've been clear enough explaining my own opinion, so is nothing else I need to add at this stage

I have read the Bible from cover to cover once, long time ago and I have started again. I’ve also heard some of the passages in the church or through videos, friends, etc. I am far from being expert on the Bible, but I’m on track.
If you read the Bible you can find out God’s plan of salvation for yourself, and understand that Jesus loves you and died for you. But you seem to be busy looking for reasons to hate it
God doesn’t want anybody to die, He wants anybody to be saved. But let’s say you later on happen to find out that God created you and gave you life and died to pay for your sins. If you get to know this and you still consciously reject Him, if you consciously reject Him who gave you life, what can you expect?..to die, maybe?

That's not what I said; what I said is far more elaborated and it's all in my previous posts. But if you like to reduce everything to some few words at your convenience, then I can say that for you all people of the past is stupid and only things that are easy to understand are true

Yeah, Larni hasn't found out, that's why I said: "let's say you later on happen to find out" and also: "if you consciously reject Him", and I said "consciously" twice, so I don't see how your reply is pertinent here

No, I'm not ignoring it, what I said, if you go back and read my post, is that I don't understand why that passage is there but that it must be there for a reason. Did you realize when I said that I didn't like that passage either? But I cannot Judge God and rule Him down just because I don't like passages like that, and as I recognized myself there are many of those in the Bible No, that's just what you expect me to do 'cause you don't seem to be paying attention to my posts Not because that's what says in the Bible it means that I have to want gay people dead; I don't. Even if that's what God wanted I don't. I wish passages like that were not in the Bible, it would be easier, but they are there, and I'm doing the best I can to deal with them. God knows why those passages are there, I don't, and I won't judge Him. Fortunately Jesus Christ said (John 8: 7-8): "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her". So I rely on God's mercy on all of us, and won't throw stones at others when I am as much a sinner as they are Perfect, wise, loving, pure, merciful, beautiful. Can't think of enough words to describe Him

No, I'd be just playing your game. Since you can't offer a solid argument, answer all my questions ignoring some for your convenience and recognize that somebody can disagree with you but still have a point, all you can do is play silly games

No, you can't. That's what I mean, if you reject God without knowing Him, I don't think He'll kill you for that Why do you keep on saying that I'm ignoring the text in Leviticus? What am I supposed to do about that text? going by the Bible you do stand, but you need to study it. Besides, I don't know where the idea of an eternity in Hell comes from. The texts you quoted before don't say anything about it. It seems to me more that those people who took an INFORMED decision and rejected God will die forever, just cease to exist

He doesn't want anybody dead. But He has an order, and breaking it has consequences. Death entered the world because of our disobedience to his order, so all this death our world experiences is our fault, not His I get these ideas from the Bible and from my life experience. And no, I wouldn't include the ones you say, God doesn't hate gays nor anybody else, He loves us all. You are keen on pointing to those examples like the one of the gays but you don't see that God himself died for all of us in the cross..condones incest? are you talking about Adam and Eve, or all people before the exodus, for that matter? The creation in the beginning was perfect. After Adam and Eve the decaying started and has increased to this day. Until certain point in history, children from brother and sister or close relatives wouldn't experience the diseases they do now
kills children? quote that one for me, pleaseEdited by Ossat, : Misunderstood part of the post

Well, you'll excuse me, but I still can't see what's your point, could you please elaborate more?

I'm sorry but I don't really think you know that much about the Bible. You may be able to quote every single passage but if you cannot find anything good your knowledge is vain. You can quote many texts where God appears as a cruel being, let's say He is. Let's say He has wanted all those people dead, but He also died Himself for the whole world. Even if you don't believe, if you think God is just a fictional character, don't you think He has much more good than evil when sacrificing Himself to save everybody? Suppose, again within the context of a Bible as a fictional story, that all that people who died under God's law were saved from a much worse fate if they lived a little bit more. They died, but at the end God died Himself to save them