Summations Only

The Bible says it is inspired so if you beleive anything in it you may as well believe that, too.

The bit about Rousseau is badly disguised argument from authority.Poor form.

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Messgaes such as this?Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."This is God's message? That disagrees with most decent people's morality.Edited by Larni, : Oh, you know?

How can you say that: have you even read the Bible?Philippians 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.People who follow Jesus are entered into the Book of Life.Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.If you are not reading the whole bible you cannot fully understand that Jesus in his mercy sends many, many people to Hell.Weasel words won't change a factual document. Saying that you do not understand the difficult bits does not mean that when your god says he wants those gays dead that that is not exactly what it means.You are in effect using the argument from incredulity; a logical fallacy.Edited by Larni, : No reason given.Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

What you are doing is ignoring what the bibles says (in my example that gay people should be killed) because it conflicts with your personal image of God.You don't agree with what the bible says God wants to happen to gay people so you undergo mental gymnastics so that your personal God is the same as the God depicted in the bible (the only source of information we have about God).You are defining God as having the same morality as you do. What you should be doing is adhearing to the morality of God (in this case wanting gay people dead).Think about your religion for a bit and you will see the true nature of God.

How can one consciously reject something that has not been established by the person in question.Can I consciously reject the notion that a variable number of magpies is bad luck, if observed?Of course not. I can only consciously reject what I have previously accepted. The bible does state that God is in the hearts of all men regardless of whether we have heard of him but how do I know that you are not ignoring that part of the bible because it is as 'difficult' as Lev 20:13?So you see, going by the bible I have no leg to stand on and will go to Hell for ever for my rejection of him: unless (in your version of Christiainty) that bit can be ignored like the killing gays bit.

Correct: so the we may know that God wants gays dead. But where do you get these ideas that God is like this from? If it is from the Bible you must also include 'hates gays', 'condones incest' and 'kills children'.If not, why not.The bible is a very easy book to understand. It becomes complicated when one tries to reconcile it with a perfect, wise, loving, pure, merciful and beautiful character. Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

God wants gays and disobedient children dead (you will remember the admonishion to put gays to the sword from Lev 20:13)Deuteronomy 21:18-21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear."God demans children to be killed again.2nd Chronicles 15:13 "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."When I mentioned incest I meant Lot (Gen 19)You follow and by extension agree with Jesus' stance on gay slaying. God does not want you to change the Bible's message to fit your morality.2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."You say I should understand the Bible: I understand what it says and I have read it (being an atheist I find I often know a lot more than many Christians).

What baffles me is how people seem to think that God is only loving when the Bible clearly shows his character to be very different.A little off topic, I suppose.

You do know that he sacrificed himself to save us from himself, don't you?If he had have just forgave Adam and Eve for doing what he knew they would he would not have had to torture himself to death to save us from his decree that we are sinners.Simple. This is not actually the case. What 'creation scientists' do is try to bebunk science. If science is wrong the Bible must be right, eh?Simple So you agree he revealed that he wants those no good gays put to death and you still think he's a loving guy?Complicated.Edited by Larni, : No reason given.Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

Mainstream science has figured out everything?Pull the other one, mate. It's got bells on.Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

What part of killing gays, dashing babies against rocks and having rape victims marry their rapist is not evil?

I think the thing to remember is that you refuse to accept any evidence that contradicts the bible.Given that stand point and being aware that others cannot reconcile the words of the bible with the real world evidence (that you have accepted as being contradicted by the bible) are you surprised by the reactions of people on this site?And I find it significant that even other Christians on this site cannot reconcile parts of the bible with physical evidence.What are you thoughts about this?

But then he or she is not being (intellectually) honest. The person is going with their feelings, rather than rationality.

Yeas there is.The taste is pleasurable too you, therefor you find it a rewarding experience.What is irrational about that?