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Author Topic:   Open letter to all Atheists.
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Message 2 of 235 (726030)
05-05-2014 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
05-05-2014 9:16 PM


If you are offended by prayer in public places, or government institutions, that offends me.
So?

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Message 94 of 235 (726211)
05-07-2014 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 86 by faceman
05-07-2014 1:06 AM


Re: The text about the creation vs the creation
As a Christian, you have to acknowledge that the Bible (including Genesis) is the inerrant word of God. Thus a Christian cannot claim that the Genesis story is inaccurate.

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Message 112 of 235 (726242)
05-07-2014 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by faceman
05-07-2014 1:41 AM


Have you accepted that some Christians have realized that the Bible is not literally inerrant? Or are you maintaining that you cannot see the errors in the Bible and still be a Christian? Are you going to go the bullshit route of "they aren't true Christians"?
He'd also need to add: "Sorry about that Creation-in-6-days thing. I really threw you literalists a curve on that didn't I? And the after-their-own-kind bit, fuhgeddaboudit."
He'd more likely go: "Dude, there was even a talking snake in that story, how could you think that it actually happened? You know snakes don't talk, right?"
If God is perfect, then He cannot make mistakes.
The Bible describes God realizing a mistake of his here:
quote:
Gen 6:6 (NIV)
The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
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For evolution and God to be true simultaneously, God must have made a mistake (in His Bible). But He can't make mistakes, if He exists - so we're back to the same premise: either evolution is true, or God is true. But we don't get to claim both.
False dicotomy. God could have used evolution to create the animals and never intended the story in Genesis to be taken as a literal event.

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Message 113 of 235 (726243)
05-07-2014 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by riVeRraT
05-06-2014 1:24 PM


You don't want prayer because it offends you and you feel like religion is being forced on you.
Do you have any examples of what you are talking about?
Who is saying that they don't want you praying?

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Message 162 of 235 (726404)
05-08-2014 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by faceman
05-08-2014 6:50 PM


Are you going to go the bullshit route of "they aren't true Christians"?
If they deny the deity of Jesus Christ, then yes.
So you're past the whole must think the Bible is inerrant thing, okay. Well, there are Christian who deny the deity of Jesus, too. And you don't get to decide who is and is not a Christian.
If a talking snake is a problem for you, then how do you get over a deity in a man's body, dying and remaining dead for 3 days, then returning back to life and walking and talking with people for 40 days?
God did it.
The snake was just a mythical creature in a fairy tale, obviously. It doesn't say that God had anything to do with it talking, unlike the resurrection.
Genesis 6:6 doesn't show a mistake, merely that God is an emotional Being and He is expressing His grief over our continued sin. Since morality, right and wrong and emotions are all constructs of His, it is perfectly consistent for Him to express His sorrow this way.
It says he regretted. That's a mistake. Your just making up stuff to aviod admitting your error.
Then you would need to show that He meant it as some sort of allegory. All of the text suggests that it is to be taken literally (unlike Revelation).
It has a talking snake and magic fruit and it describes a series of events that we know could not have happened. It was a just-so story that the jews told around campfires. It screams "not-a-true-story".
But I'm sure you'll just dig your heels in and make up some more crap so you can maintain what you already believe.

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