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Author Topic:   Is there any such thing as an absolute?
Omnivorous
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Message 29 of 109 (718494)
02-06-2014 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Dogmafood
02-06-2014 8:20 AM


ProtoTypical writes:
How many times do I have to bounce off the wall before I can know that I will not be going through it? I mean I will not live long enough to bounce off the wall enough times before I encounter the one time that I actually go through it. It seems to me that the fact is that the real possibility of me going through the wall is zero.
The Buddhist in me thinks that you may dismiss the possibility of absolutes once you recognize that things can always get worse.
The wall would teach you that eventually.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 88 of 109 (720343)
02-21-2014 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Stile
02-21-2014 12:24 PM


Re: Absolute free will
Stile writes:
Then... because you say "free will is a farce (illiusion)"... are you then saying that all our choices are between good options and bad options?
Speaking for myself and not ringo, I'd say choices are an illusion.
Who chooses? An executive construct conditioned by its unique intersection of genetics and circumstance: time, place, culture, the particulars of family structure and the personalities of its members, nutrition, chance encounters with disease vectors and mentors...and the array of choices is equally conditioned and pared by all of the above as well as larger historical, geological and astronomical sets.
So what part of all that is willed? How much sense does it make to say that this defined, determined construct of a creature, presented a limited set of stimuli, responds to one most strongly and thus "chooses" Coke over Pepsi?
Free will should be made of sterner stuff. Perhaps when we are like gods we will discover it.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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