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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Texas Creationism: Big Shootout Next Week
The Sensuous Curmudgeon One never knows what creationists will do next, because they don’t understand that their science has been rendered as obsolete as astrology. Due to their ignorance and fanaticism a wicked combination they just keep on coming, like a horde of brain-devouring zombies in some stupid movie. But the current phase of their activism in Texas may be approaching an end. MoreReligious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Shouldn't education be about teaching students how to think, not what to think? By teaching them a broad spectrum of an issue, even the controversial ones? The problem with this is that religion does just the opposite. Religion does not want people who think, it wants people who believe without the need for evidence. Religion requires people who will accept being told what to think. Go into any fundamentalist church and bring up anything that is not accepted dogma and see what kind of reception you get. (In the old days, this would have got you burned at the stake!)Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Is that real or a Poe?
It's pretty tough to tell nowdays.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Here's a nice blog from The Sensuous Curmudgeon that deals with efforts by the Discovery Institute to spread their brand of creationism under the guise of science:
What is the Wedge Document? None of this will be new to our regular readers. Big chunks of it come from our earlier posts, but we’re putting it all into one convenient place this post so we’ll be able to link to it from now on. Besides, creationists are always recycling their oldies, so they shouldn’t mind if we do it too. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle |
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I'm of course terribly sorry for you and your offspring for resembling monkeys so closely, I can see why you hold on so steadfastly to the wild lunacy that you are in fact an ape. Actually, we are most closely related to apes, particularly one species of chimpanzee. Monkeys are a very distinct group. In our ancestry, to get to monkeys you have to go back some 15 million years. And even then, while our ancestors resembled monkeys they had the dentition of apes. I hope this helps to clarify things for you.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I'm not closely related to any apes, you may wish to believe you are. You just have to look at the evidence. Have you ever done so? I remember my first osteology class. We studied each bone in the human body, both as whole bones and often as fragments. Most of us got to the point where we could identify the wrist or foot bones by feel behind our backs, and determine which bone and whether it was left or right. Then near the end of the class the professor brought out the chimp, gorilla and monkey bones. We were amazed that we could identify every one, even the little bones inside the face! Now, how do you explain that? (Oh, and explain the similarities in the genome while you're at it.)Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
How do I explain that bones are similar in species? Lol, we'll we know how you explain it and it's patently ridiculous You didn't provide an answer to my post. Why are the bones so strikingly similar among all the primates? And please provide some detail to your answer. This is a Science Forum, so supporting one's position with evidence is appropriate.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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You still have not addressed my message about primate skeletons.
Why are skeletons among all the primates so similar, such that when you learn the skeletal anatomy of one you know them all?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I have reviewed the 26 posts you made in this thread and you have yet to make a coherent argument or actually engage in debate.
Your posts consist of one-liners characterized by insults and unsupported claims, generally followed by more insults. You are becoming the poster-child for the thread's topic, demonstrating Why "YEC" Creationism is BAD for America.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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What would you do with out me? I don't know, but I'd be willing to try it and see...Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
You have yet to present an argument in favor of your beliefs.
All we've seen so far is sarcasm and insults.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
There are specific rules to setting up threads here, mostly to deep the topics tightly focused.
Why don't you try starting a thread with something like "I'm a creationist and this is what I believe..." as the title, then one particular topic following. Present your specific belief and your argument for it, and suggest which forum it should be placed in. I bet you'll get it promoted very quickly.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
So the forum is evolution verses creation, and you need me to explain what is meant by creation and what I believe it to be in order to get a thread up here, wow. Pick whatever topic you want, but just follow the rules and you threads will probably get promoted quickly.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I tend to avoid the bible-based threads.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I understand how you would like me to behave but the undertone of many responses is very subjective and non scientific and a personal attack. You came here with a chip on your shoulder and didn't follow our rules. What kind of welcome did you expect? If you had been here a while you would know that the moderators bend over backwards for creationists, and they are allowed behavior that would get any of the rest of us suspended for a while.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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