We get to tell people in funny white coats, clip boards and Bunsen burners to effoff when they try and lie to us about who are ancestors are.
Sure you do. You also get to yell at the TV when some cartoon character does something you don't like. But scientists won't pay any more attention to you than your TV does. Creationism is a dead issue.
You tell me what it is chap its your troll hole not mine.
By definition, a troll would be somebody who's here to stir up trouble instead of honestly discussing the issues. The onus is on creationists to present their side of the question. Unfortunately, there's little enough to present and few creationists understand creationism any better than they understand science.
Thus, the phenomena if they could be objectively measured originate from a spiritual realm....
If Dredge is referring to a "spiritual realm", that is a religious argument, not a scientific one. Don't you keep saying that the "spiritual realm" can not be measured objectively? It is therefore not science and can not be the "best scientific explanation" for anything.
So there you go, admitting that you have no respect for science. You have "better explanations".
A poor argument but what an excellent "straw man"!
It's not an argument. It's an observation.
Believing science is limited doesn't mean I have no respect for what science can achieve.
Just about everybody agrees that science is limited. But you didn't just say that science is limited. You said, "I have a better explanation that is non-scientific." You have not shown that your non-scientific "explanation" is "better".
A super computer can't tell me about God but that doesn't mean I have no respect for a super computer.
A supercomputer can tell you as much about God as it can tell you about leprechauns or Bigfeet. You have not shown that there is anything about God, leprechauns or Bigfeet that a supercomputer can't tell you.
To an atheist, science is the ultimate measure of truth - ie, science is their god and in effect, they worship it.
So, again, what has that got to do with this conversation? Are there any atheists here who think that way? You might as well be pontificating about how black people think.
All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo