Christianity is Morally Bankrupt

Try honesty Phat. When have I ever said that? It would be laughter and "Works for me."

Why would such a god deserve anything more than pity?

I am a human. What does the evidence say? Have you read the Bible? In Genesis 3 does the god character say we have gained the capability to know right from wrong? Does Abraham question the god character's morality? Does Jacob struggle with the god character? Does 'Israel' mean "Struggles with God"? Adam & Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. That gave us such a right AND also gave us the needed capabilities. We dare because we are human. We are not God.The problem Phat is that so much of Christianity is actually a dumbed down product. It was created to be easily marketed. But remember, Jesus has almost nothing to do with Christianity; Jesus was not a Christian, he was a Jew.

We have brains for a reason and that is to use them. Stop and think.Does a state of anarchy still exist in New Orleans? Was it not humanity that restored New Orleans?Humans decided that lawlessness and anarchy were not the answer and humans, humanity, restored order and reason.You do not help kids by doing for them, you help by teaching them how to do it themselves.The problem really is that much of Christianity (particularly the Calvinist traditions) is morally bankrupt and self defeating. It starts and ends with a losers concept and should be pitied when it actually produces losers.It is time to stop whining that your shoes are untied and instead learn to tie them. Reality is Big Kids school, no longer Kindergarten.

I need to add one more item. You often say stuff like "Using logic, the Creator of all seen and unseen would not steer us wrong."HUH?How is that position arrived at logically?And "The core of my belief and hope in life, love, and liberty is that God, if God exists, is good and wants us to survive and prosper. "Again, how is that logically derived?Saying you use logic and actually using logic are two different things.Why would the Creator of all seen and unseen logically treat humans differently than other species? Where are the dinos? The mega fauna? Saber Tooth cats and mastadons?Logically, why would humans be treated differently?Are you confusing wishful thinking with logic and reason?

again, where is even a semblance of reason or logic in ... HUH?What does that even mean?What does any of that have to do with the questions asked in Message 272 or Message 274 or Message 276 or any other post in this topic?

I thought the person who started the topic framed the topic? Isn't the topic "Christianity is Morally Bankrupt?"So you have no response or will not respond to the questions or the topic. Got it. Not at all. Calvinism is a theology based on the assumption that humans are failures, predestined to be failures and incapable of actually doing anything of worth or merit. You mean like Jesus?Nope, my mother was a Presbyterian.

Again, no answer from you.Why is it logical?

How is it logical even from a human centrist perspective?

Again, that is bias not logic.

You need to learn to read. I do not say that there will be a higher percentage of non-Christians, but that there will be more non-Christians. The latter is simple math, there have been more non-Christians than there are Christians and likely always will be more non-Christians than Christians.What is your continued fascination with zombies?

If I give them food can they eat? If I give them a coat can they keep warm? Why would I care what they believed? Why not? Why do they need to be transformed?Can't they all just get along?

And what evidence convinced you that you knew God or were saved?What does either of those silly statements even mean?

But nothing there answers either of the questions.And what evidence convinced you that you knew God or were saved?What does either of those silly statements even mean? Even if the change was real, what is the evidence to support any attribution to "knowing God" or "Being saved"?People change. People evolve.What evidence convinced you that you knew God or were saved?What does either of those silly statements even mean?Why do such questions never get answered?

And you still offer no idea of what that even means?