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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
are you asking why its logical that the Creator of all seen and unseen would favor us?
This is where Jesus comes in. GOD may very well communicate with every sub species in the language that they can handle. And yes, this is often not logical. My bias comes into play. I suppose I would ask why not? Why would the Creator of all seen and unseen not communicate with us? Edited by Phat, : oops...double negative
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, no answer from you.
Why is it logical?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
i suppose its only logical from a human centrist perspective
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How is it logical even from a human centrist perspective?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
So is the Whale Bible written in krill?
GOD may very well communicate with every sub species in the language that they can handle.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
its logical because the main messenger...Jesus---was a man and not a whale or a snail or pond scum
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, that is bias not logic.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: I believe all of us, Jew and Muslim, Atheist and Agnostic, Wiccan and Satanist, Buddhist and Hindu, Animist and Sun worshiper, Taoist and followers of the Norse Gods will be judged, based on our personal behavior and our personal capabilities. And if there is a Heaven, I believe and expect far more Jews and Muslims, Atheists and Agnostics, Wiccans and Satanists, Buddhists and Hindus, Animists and Sun worshipers, Taoists and followers of the Norse Gods will be admitted, welcomed, than Christians. Yet you say that a God who picks and chooses is evil! Why would the Christians get singled out and picked on....being hypothetically rejected in a greater percentage than any other belief or non-belief?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Why would the Christians get singled out and picked on....being hypothetically rejected in a greater percentage than any other belief or non-belief? You need to learn to read. I do not say that there will be a higher percentage of non-Christians, but that there will be more non-Christians. The latter is simple math, there have been more non-Christians than there are Christians and likely always will be more non-Christians than Christians. What is your continued fascination with zombies?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes:
There are likely far more Christians that have ever existed than there are(or were) Jews...for example. Besides...you use the word "welcomed". That implies a God who picks and chooses.
I do not say that there will be a higher percentage of non-Christians, but that there will be more non-Christians. The latter is simple math, there have been more non-Christians than there are Christians and likely always will be more non-Christians than Christians. What is your continued fascination with zombies? Many of them dont know any better. They are uneducated and ignorant, yet not willfully so. I disagree with your assessment that they will be rejected and pitied. When it comes to who gets chosen, I reject the idea that only those who work hardest and try their best will get considered before the woefully ignorant who have clung only to trust. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Bias rather than logic, eh? Based on logic, we could say that "I believe that there will be far more bacteria, pond scum, and animals and insects in Heaven than there will be humans..
From a human centric perspective, which I admitted that I had---and which I will admit is bias...its more likely that heaven will have humans as its main focus---not animals. Nor insects. But to your credit, I will concede that it is bias and not technically logical from the perspective of a Creator of all things seen and unseen.
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GrimSqueaker Member (Idle past 3718 days) Posts: 137 From: Ireland Joined: |
Wow I can believe this thread is still going - I started this (badly) a year ago
Sorry to my fellow skeptics, freethinkers and atheists for my awkward phrasing of my initial premise - although everyone has done wonders with it despite the rocky start.
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Phat Member Posts: 18350 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I keep finding things you(jar) posted years ago which I am just now reading.
Message 9 So I am reexamining this topic in light of the criticisms of religion and Christianity currently being discussed on our forum.
Belief Statement:jar writes: The problem here is that you cant simply "save" someone who doesn't feel a need to change. They must first surrender. If you allow them to keep their own opinions and beliefs, you are really not saving them.
A week passed and once again I sat down with Father Joe. What did you decide about the warlord?, he asked. Did he really have enough food for everybody?, I asked in return. Yes, he did., Said Father Joe. Then he should have saved everybody, not just those that believed in him., I answered.jar writes: I suppose the next question is this: If all of these various beliefs are allowed in Heaven, will there then be a universal consensus in that place? What would you expect God Himself to contribute to that consensus? After all, there certainly needs to be standards in heaven. It cant be some giant social club.
I believe I will be judged after I die, judged based on what I personally did with my life. I believe all of us, Jew and Muslim, Atheist and Agnostic, Wiccan and Satanist, Buddhist and Hindu, Animist and Sun worshiper, Taoist and followers of the Norse Gods will be judged, based on our personal behavior and our personal capabilities. And if there is a Heaven, I believe and expect far more Jews and Muslims, Atheists and Agnostics, Wiccans and Satanists, Buddhists and Hindus, Animists and Sun worshipers, Taoists, and followers of the Norse Gods will be admitted, welcomed, than Christians. jar writes: That my point also. Everyone admitted to heaven needs to be transformed. They simply cant waltz in the door smoking a cigarette. (Unless God had no problem with it, which I highly doubt.)
There is no way I can save myself. If I am saved it will only be through the Grace of GOD. jar writes: As would everyone allowed in the door. I understand that I am fully responsible for my behavior. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: The problem here is that you cant simply "save" someone who doesn't feel a need to change. They must first surrender. If you allow them to keep their own opinions and beliefs, you are really not saving them. If I give them food can they eat? If I give them a coat can they keep warm? Why would I care what they believed?
Phat writes: I suppose the next question is this: If all of these various beliefs are allowed in Heaven, will there then be a universal consensus in that place? What would you expect God Himself to contribute to that consensus? After all, there certainly needs to be standards in heaven. It cant be some giant social club. Why not?
Phat writes: That my point also. Everyone admitted to heaven needs to be transformed. They simply cant waltz in the door smoking a cigarette. (Unless God had no problem with it, which I highly doubt.) Why do they need to be transformed? Can't they all just get along?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Well, apparently the ones who don't believe in feeding the hungry, etc. won't be let in. If all of these various beliefs are allowed in Heaven, will there then be a universal consensus in that place?"If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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