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Author Topic:   I don't believe in God, I believe in Gravity
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Message 359 of 693 (710946)
11-13-2013 8:28 AM
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11-13-2013 7:16 AM


Re: The hypothetico-deductive method
all im saying is that belief need not be required to rest on evidence. It can stand alone...subjectively.

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Message 482 of 693 (711448)
11-19-2013 8:07 AM
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11-19-2013 7:49 AM


Re: The hypothetico-deductive method
I never refer to God as X because I believe that He has touched me.....appropriately of course

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Message 488 of 693 (711462)
11-19-2013 9:28 AM
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11-19-2013 9:19 AM


Re: The hypothetico-deductive method
Interesting discussion
Straggler writes:
Let's say nobody knows about the tape. Let's say the tape is tucked down the back of a sofa in the basement of an empty house that nobody will ever visit.
That doesn't mean the tape doesn't exist does it?
You preface the statement with "lets say". Thus...between you and I..the tape exists...but nobody else knows about it.

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Message 490 of 693 (711464)
11-19-2013 9:36 AM
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11-19-2013 7:49 AM


Call It X
Straggler writes:
call it X and say you don't know or believe anything about it because you couldn't possibly know or believe things about a completely undefined conceptless concept.
An agnostic may well call "it" X.
An atheist would only see a blank sheet of paper and would ask us why we are calling nothing anything.

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Message 492 of 693 (711471)
11-19-2013 10:34 AM
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11-19-2013 10:23 AM


Re: Call It X
After all this time you still continue to misrepresent atheism and atheists. Is it willful or are you truly this ignorant?
There is one who knows exactly what you think and how. He knows you better than you know yourself. End of story.
You can plug your ears, laugh, or angrily attack me for expressing my belief on this forum.
Furthermore, you have no idea of how ignorant I am. It would be wise of you, however, to explain why you think I am wrong rather than rant. If you choose to participate, that is

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Message 542 of 693 (711655)
11-21-2013 8:57 AM
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10-25-2013 7:35 PM


A different perspective
So, again, my question is, since gravity is the fundamental force of the universe as we know it, why isn't it mentioned as the very first thing god created?
The Bible was and is metaphorical and symbolic. It is not a science book nor was it ever intended to be one. It is quite a decent psychology primer, however. People behaving badly.
The creative metaphor is light. Im sure that super novas fit within this metaphor quite well...as does the process of illumination...the light bulb that goes on over our heads when we think of something new.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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Message 596 of 693 (711759)
11-22-2013 1:35 AM
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11-04-2013 4:12 PM


Re: Why would it necessarily be impossible to observe evidence of a creator God?
jar writes:
in addition to fools, con-men and charlatans, idiots, the deluded, wishful thinkers, infants and the willfully ignorant might also claim god did it.
Do you believe that GOD does nothing in your life currently? (Either by way of the Holy Spirit or by way of speaking through others?)
I am assuming that you are going to ask "how" He does this....and "how" you would know.

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Message 644 of 693 (711924)
11-24-2013 11:25 AM
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11-22-2013 12:06 PM


Re: Predictions
You are saying that your would "test" God once He was proven, and yet you are confidant that your Deity of choice---science--will forever insulate you from having to be accountable.
As a believer, I dont like being accountable either...its that inner nature of mine that wants to be "in control" and independent.
I suppose this post will get another negative rantfrom Theodoric...who claims I know nothing about how atheists think.
I can never challenge him, however, since he and others like you refuse to even care about why I think the way I do. God bless all of you anyway.

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Message 681 of 693 (712282)
12-02-2013 3:09 AM
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11-24-2013 6:41 PM


Re: The Alien Done It
Tangle,replying to jar writes:
That, dear Jar, is what the supernatural IS, or is supposed to be - the impossible happening.
If you want to define it away, so that it can't happen linguistically, you're just messing around with words not meanings and I have no time for that crap.
Humans cannot define the impossible. We cannot declare anything to be impossible, since at best we have but theories.

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Message 683 of 693 (712287)
12-02-2013 7:19 AM
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12-02-2013 5:11 AM


Re: The Alien Done It
tangle writes:
Then I'm sure you'll agree with me that the 'miracles' in the bible, including Christ's resurrection, were not miracles at all.
We cannot say either way. There were eyewitnesses, but the stories may have changed.

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Message 685 of 693 (712311)
12-02-2013 1:12 PM
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12-02-2013 1:04 PM


Re: The Alien Done It
Personally, of course I believe. My opinions on the matter is that truth is truth regardless of who believes or acknowledges it as such. God created humanity long before we even had the wisdom to believe...or doubt...or declare the impossibility of His existence.

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Message 687 of 693 (712313)
12-02-2013 1:25 PM
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12-02-2013 1:17 PM


Re: The Alien Done It
So what's all this about not knowing that something is a miracle or not? You plainly do.
I believe it. You don't. Technically I cant say I know it(except in my heart) Neither do you.

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Message 689 of 693 (712315)
12-02-2013 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 688 by Tangle
12-02-2013 1:34 PM


Re: The Alien Done It
Of course. I probably baffle myself sometimes, and jumped into the conversation on a lark. I suppose that my original point was that we humans cannot clearly define what is and is not impossible. We can only verify what is possible.

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Message 691 of 693 (712319)
12-02-2013 2:54 PM
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12-02-2013 2:42 PM


Re: The Alien Done It
Seems pretty simple to me.
You resist the verification. Your resistance makes it "impossible" for you.

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