I don't believe in God, I believe in Gravity

Ffs

If you cut a man's head off, he dies. If he doesn't, it's a miracle. This isn't a matter of not enough knowledge, that's totally within the realm of our knowledge. Of course it does; it tells us that the supernatural exists.And until something equivalent happens, the supernatural doesn't exist.

There can be no reworking of theories to accommodate a living man with his head on the floor a month after decapitation, now can there?Quite apart from the immediate and terminal loss of blood and the destruction of the nervous system, he's also starved to death.

Rather, I have a very high standard of evidence, but I am also prepared to follow it where it leads me. Even if that takes me into areas which I currently believe to be impossible.I'd love to hear how a decapitated man can live for a month and why you don't think we know enough to claim it to be impossible.

Eh? What do you think we're doing?

That, dear Jar, is what the supernatural IS, or is supposed to be - the impossible happening.If you want to define it away, so that it can't happen linguistically, you're just messing around with words not meanings and I have no time for that crap.

Like I say, I'm not interested in linguistic crap - you know perfectly well what is being said.Do you believe it possible to be a christian without accepting Christ's resurrection?

Of course it's not science, it's a sodding miracle!Science has packed it's bags and gone home, thrown its theodolite, measuring stick and set square into the bin and joined the queues at the synagogue.

Instead of making pointless comments like this, perhaps you could say why you think it's possible, scientifically, for a decapitated man to walk around for a month.What do you think science doesn't yet know about the physiology of the human being that makes you think it possible?If this example isn't certain enough for you, I've now cremated our now month dead decapitated man and I have him in a shoebox in front of me. I've said a few mystical words and SHASAM! he pops back into life fully formed, risen from the ashes fully headed!Is that a miracle or is it purely natural?

Correct Who said it's not about scientific evidence? I have said several times that I do not believe the supernatural exists. The fact that we have no evidence for it is why we have to resort to speaking hypothetically.I have also said more than once that science has examined our hypothetical situation and found it inexpliccable. Not, unexplained and not something to hope one day to have the science to explain but beyond explanation. This is because we know enough about the science to know that what has just happened isn't possible by non-supernatural means. You're not getting this are you? You're still wrapped up in language.Science has examined the phenomenon, because the effect is real, but the causal mechanism is supernatural which can't be examined. It won't stop science trying to work it out of course, but if it's a true miracle - and how could the resurrection of a cremated decapitated man be anything else? - then science is pretty damn useless except to declare it to be beyond science.

No not much, but Ug and I both have the intellect and knowledge to know that if we remove the head from a mammoth's shoulders it never gets up again - in no circumstances, ever.Now, what's your excuse for thinking otherwise?

No not just like that, but never mind you're boring me to death. I'm off to bang my head against something less dense.See you in the next thread.

Then I'm sure you'll agree with me that the 'miracles' in the bible, including Christ's resurection, were not miracles at all.

So, as a christian, you don't believe in the resurrection?

So what's all this about not knowing that something is a miracle or not? You plainly do.