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Author Topic:   I don't believe in God, I believe in Gravity
Jon
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Message 630 of 693 (711854)
11-22-2013 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 628 by Tangle
11-22-2013 6:46 PM


Re: The Alien Done It
What are both sides of the argument frightened of here?
No one is afraid of anything. The problem is that there is no way to distinguish the "supernatural" from the "natural" when "supernatural" means something that goes against our current understanding of the way the universe works; and when "supernatural" means wholly and entirely outside of nature and the empirical universe it is untestable by science.
It's just that simple.

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Message 635 of 693 (711872)
11-23-2013 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 631 by Tangle
11-23-2013 4:44 AM


Re: The Alien Done It
I don't believe any of you - yourself, Az and Jar - would say that the armless man scenario was not a miraculous/supernatural event (and yes, the words do have the same meaning in normal use) if it actually happened in the way I described.
No. It would simply be another thing happening in the observable universe for which we had yet to find an explanation.
Such has been the history of science.
On a side note, you might be able to convince someone if you would be willing to offer up a way to distinguish the natural from the supernatural.

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Message 638 of 693 (711879)
11-23-2013 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 637 by Tangle
11-23-2013 2:03 PM


Re: The Alien Done It
We know how cells replicate and differentiate. We know that limbs do not spontaneously and immediately regenerate.
Well... that's what we used to know... until we saw a limb regrow instantaneously before our eyes.
It wouldn't just be something we don't know about yet, it would be something we know enough about to know that it couldn't possibly happen.
Except that it happened. So obviously something's wrong with our understanding of the way the world works if it rules as impossible those things which clearly take place.
But why worry about only limbs. Let's have a man with a severed head walk around normally for a month - or anything else you can think of that we KNOW is impossible.
Why not revise our scientific theories to account for the new observations?

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Jon
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Message 640 of 693 (711898)
11-24-2013 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 639 by Tangle
11-23-2013 2:44 PM


Re: The Alien Done It
Look we KNOW that a man with a severed head can not walk around as normal for a month. You know it and science knows it. It breaks god knows how many medical certainties that it's not open to sane debate.
Yet there it happens. Before our eyes.
You know that it can't.
I saw that it did.
What now?

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Jon
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Message 649 of 693 (711942)
11-24-2013 4:55 PM
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11-24-2013 3:18 AM


Re: The Alien Done It
Well, so long as it's not only you and the headless guy has stuck around long enough for science to have a good enough look and declare it real, then we re- think everything we thought we knew about everything.
Very well.
And once we've figured it out and reworked our theories to accommodate the new observations?

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Jon
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Message 651 of 693 (711945)
11-24-2013 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 650 by Tangle
11-24-2013 5:32 PM


Re: The Alien Done It
So that's it?
No desire for honest discussion?

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Jon
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Message 663 of 693 (711995)
11-25-2013 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 660 by Stile
11-25-2013 9:20 AM


Re: Definitions
You, like Tangle, are simply hopping around as though there were flies in your crotch.
Until you can address the points put to you, there's no reason to continue batting off the items on your endless lists of irrelevant crap.

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Jon
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Message 664 of 693 (711997)
11-25-2013 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 662 by Tangle
11-25-2013 11:11 AM


Re: The Alien Done It
Science has packed it's bags and gone home, thrown its theodolite, measuring stick and set square into the bin and joined the queues at the synagogue.
The science you practice, then, is nothing but a joke.

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Jon
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Message 680 of 693 (712279)
12-01-2013 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 676 by Straggler
11-27-2013 1:44 PM


Re: Predictions
If GOD (the supernatural creator of all that is seen and unseen) chose to come to us in material form and undertake miracles that can be witnessed by anyone, video recorded etc. etc. - Then why couldn't this conceivably happen?
Suppose it could. What would be so supernatural about a fully material being interacting with the material world around it?

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