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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What I believe is totally irrelevant in this case and yes, of course I would ask how I would know.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I would document what happened, what we could observe and put it in the unknown/unexplained folder.
No evidence of the supernatural there.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't see where there was any test of the supernatural there.
Your basic premise is flawed when you say "The hypothesis is that those who are more devout will receive healing powers from GOD. The prediction is that those who devote themselves to GOD will exhibit these healing powers." That is not a test of the supernatural. At best your results, if the did happen show that a group of people have healing powers. It says a little about that group but nothing about the supernatural. Again, I would not see any support for the supernatural there.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I have never seen a predictive test of the supernatural proposed.
As I said, I don't see anything in your example related to the supernatural.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I see the hypothesis as flawed from the beginning. I see no test of the supernatural in your example.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Sorry but I get tired of repeating the obvious. Go read what I write.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, once again you simply misrepresent what I have said.
I said I see no test of the supernatural in your example.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not so.
Did you say "The above would be objective empirical evidence in favour of the supernatural claim in question obtained by the application of the hypothetico-deductive method."?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't believe any of you - yourself, Az and Jar - would say that the armless man scenario was not a miraculous/supernatural event (and yes, the words do have the same meaning in normal use) if it actually happened in the way I described. What you believe is of course irrelevant and unrelated to fact or truth and you continue to mistake what I at least would say. I would not see what you described as evidence of the supernatural and a most might use the term miraculous in the colloquial sense similar to "The pesto I fixed for dinner last night was miraculous."
It's ludicrously easy to invent hypotheticals where the only possible rational conclusion is supernatural intervention. The only problem here is that the supernatural doesn't exist so we're dealing with a description of the impossible and the absurd. I agree making sh9it up is ludicrously easy but I disagree with almost all of the rest of that sentence and fully with the last sentence.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Well, so long as it's not only you and the headless guy has stuck around long enough for science to have a good enough look and declare it real, then we re- think everything we thought we knew about everything. Perhaps not everything but that is the best step. Put it in the unknown/unexplained folder and work on it. Tagging it as supernatural does nothing.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Maybe you just have a very low standard for evidence because from your example I see no evidence for the supernatural.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Too funny.
I'd love to hear how a decapitated man can live for a month and why you don't think we know enough to claim it to be impossible. So would I but at least I would know enough to not claim it was impossible since it had happened. That is why I would place it in the unknown/unexplained folder instead of continuing to think it was impossible. But labeling it as supernatural seems pretty silly until there was actual evidence of the supernatural.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you saying that even when we know something did happen it is impossible that it happened?
If you want to claim that something that did happen is impossible to happen I gotta wonder about you in many ways.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Do you believe it possible to be a christian without accepting Christ's resurrection? Yes. AbE: I don't know why you keep asking questions I've answered time after time. The question is whether or not there is anyway that the supernatural could be evidenced not what could be accepted unevidenced. It is not a matter of belief but rather science. Someone may believe that your example is a miracle but that is NOT scientific. Edited by jar, : see AbE:Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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The issue is about evidence of the supernatural.
If we are not talking about scientific evidence then why the fuck are you posting such crap? If you just believe it is impossible for such things to happen then that's fine, but if it happens then folk have claimed that it should be possible to scientifically examine the evidence. If science has left the building, then why are you even wasting my time?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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