Can the standard "Young Earth Creationist" model be falsified by genetics alone?

The global flood is generally placed around 4,350 years ago by biblical scholars.We have examples of Native American mtDNA types that are the same both before and after that date.At On Your Knees Cave in southern Alaska a skeleton was dated to 10,300 years ago, and a rare mtDNA type was found. This is D4h3.In a publication a couple of years back, it was noted that 47 living individuals had been found with that same haplotype. They were found along the west coasts of North and South America.If a flood had occurred that haplotype would have been wiped out and replaced by Near Eastern mtDNA types.That this didn't happen is another example of genetics disproving the YEC flood belief.

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That's easy! Just examine the DNA of humans and see if there are significant changes pre- and post-4500 years ago. One of the marks of a bottleneck is a reduction of diversity. Even worse, the ark scenario would, by necessity, involve an absolute break in mtDNA types with worldwide repopulation from Near Eastern types.One of the skeletons I excavated in the western US had a particular mtDNA haplotype that persisted from 5300 years ago to the present in the same area! The Native American consultant on the project turned out to have the same exact haplotype!So there is evidence of direct continuity across the date biblical experts give for the flood. (You're so far out in left field on the dating issue there is no way to take your dating estimates seriously so we're sticking to the real dates.)But wait! There's more! There is a site in southern Alaska named On Your Knees Cave, which has a skeleton dated to 10,000 years. It is linked to a number of living individuals by a rare mtDNA haplotype. Again, there is evidence of direct continuity across the date biblical experts give for the flood.And still more!

Analysis of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) variation has permitted the reconstruction of the ancient migrations of women. This has provided evidence that our species arose in Africa about 150,000 years before present (YBP), migrated out of Africa into Asia about 60,000 to 70,000 YBP and into Europe about 40,000 to 50,000 YBP, and migrated from Asia and possibly Europe to the Americas about 20,000 to 30,000 YBP.

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http://www.bec.ucla.edu/papers/Wallace_23.5.05_3.pdf

Hmmm. No mentions of bottlenecks or drastic changes there.Whoa, now you have to deal with mtDNA continuity for over 150,000 years! Oh, noes! No breaks from an imaginary flood?Maybe you're just flat-out wrong, eh?

No. That is your particular delusion. I'm certainly not going to share it.The consensus of religious scholars is that the flood that never happened occurred about 4,350-4,500 years ago. I have presented mtDNA evidence from my own archaeological research that shows continuity across that particular date. That one fact alone shows that the flood could not have happened as claimed.As for your delusions about dating, I started a thread to deal with that subject, and you have studiously ignored it.So no, I will not just assume your 250 million year old date for the flood and will not join in your delusions about altering the geological record by a factor of about 57,000 times.

Another useless "what-if" designed to let you hold onto your delusions.You have been ducking the C14 thread I started for you for well over a month now, but yet you still assume your radical unevidenced position is the correct one.Isn't it about time you showed us your evidence?

That's nothing.Mindspun's claim of the flood at the P-T boundary gives a time compression of about 57,000 times.That means Jesus was walking around about two weeks ago.That also means the black death occurred in Europe about this past Monday or Tuesday. (Hmmm. Maybe that's why I haven't heard from my cousins over there lately.)

John Woodmorappe (a pseudonym for a high school teacher named Jan Peczkis), in his article titled The non-transitions in ‘human evolution’—on evolutionists’ terms, posted on the answersingenesis.org website, has argued this very thing. He writes:

The relevant evidence clearly shows that Homo sapiens sensu lato is a separate and distinct entity from the other hominids. No overall evolutionary progression is to be found. Adam and Eve, and not the australopiths/habilines, are our actual ancestors. As pointed out by other creationists [e.g., Lubenow9], Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, and Homo neanderthalensis can best be understood as racial variants of modern man—all descended from Adam and Eve, and most likely arising after the separation of people groups after Babel.

So Woodmorappe sees the change from modern man, i.e., Adam and Eve, to these four species of fossil man taking place since the Babel incident, which occurred after the global flood and in the range of 4,000 to 5,300 years ago.Homo ergaster is dated to between about 1.8 million and 1.3 million years ago, so the change from that critter to modern man took at least 1.1 million years. Now creationists propose a change from modern man to Homo ergaster in about 4,500 years (with instant fossilization and burial, along with a return to normal evolutionary rates). This post-Babel change from modern man to Homo ergaster would require a rate of evolution on the order of 250 times as rapid as scientists see for the change from Homo ergaster to modern man!Most creationists deny evolution occurs on this scale at all. Now creationists have not only proposed such a change themselves, but they see it operating 250 times faster and in reverse!No wonder creation "science" is considered to be such a joke.