Is purposeless torture moral?

Huntard"What? The purpose? I already told you: punishing sinners."Punishing is the action, not the purpose.Why do you punish your children?
To change attitudes and actions. Right?
Those are the purposes for the punishment.What is the purpose for punishing eternaly in hell?""To those that might consider sinning against god."To sin against God? What does that mean?
God is not here for me to sin against.
How could anyone possibly hurt an all powerful entity?Impossible. Right?Regards
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Evlreala"My moral system begins here.
Jonathan Haidt: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives | TED TalkYour moral system begins with a blog post about conservatism vs librals? I think I may have found your first problem.This is no way describes a moral system, please try again."--------------------------------------No point in going further if you did not see the moral tenets in that clip. If you cannot understand the words of a professional scholar, you will not understand anything I have to tell you.Regards
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JarI already indicated that it was immoral.I do not care if archetypal God thinks it moral or not. He would be wrong if he did.Regards
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Ringo"how does expediency become morality?"It does not. It is just a condition created by requiring haste in the scenario."but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."Unworkable rhetoric as is much of what they put into Jesus' mouth.If a man enters your home and rapes your wife, what will you do, offer your daughter for seconds.
See what I mean? Unworkable rhetoric.Regards
DL

Evlreala"How, in your paradigm, does one determine what is good and what is evil?"Basically the old do unto others is what guides me.Regards
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RingoGreatest I am writes:
If a man enters your home and rapes your wife, what will you do, offer your daughter for seconds.your reply:
That might very well be the moral thing to do.How would you justify your action to the court that would charge you with being an accessory to rape?How would you explain such a (good) moral stance to your daughter?Regards
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Evlreala"From their perspective, hell is a moral punishment."Their perspective is demonstrably wrong.
You should see how Christians have run from this post I wrote some time ago.Judgment and punishment go hand in hand.Our human laws have a form of punishment where the penalty is graduated to fit the crime. An eye for an eye type of justice.
God‘s punishment seems to surpass this standard.The definition I am comparing here is the eternal fire and torture type of hell and I am not particularly interested in the myriad of other definitions and theories that some use to supplant this traditional view.To ascertain if hell would be a moral construct or not, all you need do is answer these
simple question for yourself.1. Is it good justice for a soul to be able to sin for only 120 years and then have to suffer torture for 12000000000000000000000000 + years?2. Is it good justice for small or mediocre sinners to have to bear the same sentence as Hitler, Stalin and other genocidal maniacs?
This might actually include God if you see Noah’s flood as God using genocide and not justice against man. Pardon the digression.Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent.3. Is it good justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result?4. If you answered yes to these questions, then would killing the soul not be a better form of justice than to torture it for no possible good result or purpose?Is hell a moral construct or not?Please explain your reasons and know that ---just because God created it ---does not explain your moral judgment. It is your view I seek and not God’s as no one can speak for God.Regards
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Jar"Courts and laws are unrelated to morality except within the moral framework of the specific culture of that court."LOL.
Which says that courts and laws are within the moral framework of all cultures.Regards
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Ringo"I only have to "justify" the morality of my actions to myself. If the society I live in has different moral values than I do, I may or may not try to explain it to them."Care to attempt to to explain and justify your crime here?
I eagerly want to see such an attempt.Before you do, note the first principle of morality.Jonathan Haidt: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives | TED TalkRegards
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EvlrealaYou, like the Christians I alluded to, have run from answering the questions posed and tried to deflect.Regards
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Jar.Ok.Regards
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EvlrealaYou have rejected my moral framework without refuting or answering the questions posed that created it so why should I come up with another while the first is sound FMPOV?Regards
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RingoYou said it may be moral to offer your daughter to a rapist.
Explain and stop playing childish games.As to the first principle of morality. It is to put the Care/harm of children above all else.Regards
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C SCorrect but that was not the scenario given and Ringo did not add the caveat you did.We are dealing with a rapist. Not a potential mass murderer. If we were, he would do the daughter that was given in the hope that he would not use the bomb. A poor gamble at best but one that a moral man would have to make.Regards
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C S"In your opinion, but not necessarily in other's. Morality is still relative."That is what I have been saying all along.Regards
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