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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Ringo
I agree. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Phat
Yes. Many human concepts have been built into God when man invented him. You are right in Guantanamo being interesting from a moral standpoint but it seems that most find some deterrent value in it’s existence. We do not want to place a limit on justice. I do not recall that you had a belief in angels and the other supernatural parts of the faith.Is that your firm belief? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Jar
1. "So you say but that is irrelevant to the topic. 2. Did you claim that hell "is used purely for revenge retribution and cruelty"? 3. If so, then even under your idea of what hell is, there is a purpose. 4. Is revenge a purpose? 5. Is retribution a purpose? 6. Is cruelty a purpose?" ----------------------------------------- Good grief. 1. No. Only that they do not speak to purpose. 2. Yes. Did I miss something? 3. We have conditions to date. No purpose. 4. 5. 6. No. What do they accomplish? RegardsDL
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why isn't revenge a purpose?
Why isn't retribution a purpose? Why isn't cruelty a purpose?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Huntard
Punishing sinners is not a purpose.To what end is the punishment given? You punish to change attitudes and actions.Hell does not. Even with a change, punishment goes on. We agree on reality. RegardsDL
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Evlreala Member (Idle past 3096 days) Posts: 88 From: Portland, OR United States of America Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Is purposeless torture moral?Is it moral for God to use or let others choose to use his torture chamber called hell or the lake of fire? What is moral? Before I could attempt to address your question, I would have to understand what it is you're asking. In context to your question, what moral theory are you subscribing too?
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Jar
If you think that they have purpose then state what that purpose is. Did you understand the reasons why you punish? RegardsDL
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
How the hell (hehe) can that not be a purpose?
Punishing sinners is not a purpose. To what end is the punishment given?
To teach them that they shouldn't have sinned. So they serve as an example.
You punish to change attitudes and actions.
Or you punish as retribution.
Hell does not. Even with a change, punishment goes on.
So?
We agree on reality.
Edited by Huntard, : Spellings
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Evlreala
My mortal system begins here. Jonathan Haidt: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives | TED Talk We will agree on most moral questions so let us not rewrite the dictionary definition of words. Jump in relaxed RegardsDL
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why I punish is irrelevant.
Punishment is not even mentioned in the questions I asked you. I asked:
quote: You keep moving the goal posts. Now it seems you are NOT asking if there is some purpose but rather "Is such behavior what YOU consider moral". That's an entirely different and somewhat pointless question. YOU are the best person to say whether or not YOU consider such actions moral; but that is unrelated to whether or not the actions have a purpose.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
How the hell (hehe) can that not be a purpose?
Then, (hehe), name it. To teach them that they shouldn't have sinned. Education does that. So they serve as an example. To whom? RegardsDL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 294 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Jar
Of course punishment is related to hell. That is what hell is all about. You have yet to show the purpose of hell. RegardsDL
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Too funny. Did you even read Message 40?
Revenge is a purpose. Retribution is a purpose. Cruelty is a purpose.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Is morality a quantitative science? It's easy to compare a million deaths with harm to two individuals but what if the victim is a kidnapped child? Does saving one life add up to "more moral" than torturing one person and risking the mental health of another?
The good of the many in this case would need to be placed above the good of the one to be tortured and even above the good mental health of the one doing the torturing.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2315 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
What? The purpose? I already told you: punishing sinners.
Then, (hehe), name it. Education does that.
Yes, and so does whipping them (for example). In fact, in this case, whipping them is the education.
To whom?
To those that might consider sinning against god.
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