Rahvin
An S&M would likely see torture as immoral. He would not see the S & M slaps and tickles as torture nor immoral.
There is a whole big difference there I think.
I think you have little conception of what some people actually find arousing. Yes, there are the "fuzzy handcuff" people who dabble in BDSM, but they're hardly the extent...and I very much would not consider the harsher forms of SM to be a "slap and tickle." There are individuals who
do get off on causing and receiving very real, harsh pain, and it could only ever be defined as torture. Some of them even use implements from the Inquisition.
Though I agree that the practitioners don't typically find it to be immoral, since all participants are (supposed to be) consenting adults. And that being the case, I don't find it to be immoral either. I think the infliction of suffering on a non-consenting individual is immoral, but free, informed, adult consent is the difference.
But that was the crux of my question to you - is the simple instruction to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" sufficient? Clearly
not, given that people's actual desires are widely varied, and one person may desire to be treated in such a way that another person would find to be revolting or even criminal.
If one is doing unto others etc., then the mindset of the other would also be considered. The one who wants to message would consider that the recipient does not want it and therefore would not give it.
And that's what I was getting at. A better form of the "golden rule" is to "consider the preferences of others as you would like your preferences to be considered." The historical version encourages the
infliction of one's own desires onto others who may or may not appreciate it. By considering each other's preferences rather than simply projecting our own, we can preserve greater liberty for everyone.
The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.
- Francis Bacon
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity. — Albert Camus
"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.