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Phat
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Message 17 of 106 (659463)
04-16-2012 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
04-12-2012 12:42 PM


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GIA writes:
Is purposeless torture moral?
*blink*
*consults Mr.Dictionary*
1purpose n 1 : an object or result aimed at : intention 2 : resolution, determination purposeful \-fl\ adj purposefully adv purposeless adj purposely adv
So....torture without any intention, resolution, or determination. Now....what is torture?
1torture n 1 : anguish of body or mind 2 : the infliction of severe pain esp. to punish or coerce
hmmmm...punishment or coercion(repression or enforcement) with no intention,resolution, or determination.
Which brings us to morality.
Let’s ignore Guantanamo Bay and other exceptions please.
well if you insist, though those examples bring up morality or the lack thereof.
Hell is a place of purposeless torture and pain. It is used purely for revenge retribution and cruelty.
We really don't know what hell is for, if it exists. God would have no need for revenge. No desire(in my belief, anyway) for cruelty. Retribution also sounds like a human idea.
Some say we choose hell and some think that God, as our judge, sentences us to it. Some think it is eternal while some think that it and its occupants are eventually dumped into a lake of fire and destroyed. A long period of torture to some and a short term of torture to others.
Personally I believe (currently) that Hell, if it exists, was never intended for humans. It was for the fallen angelic spirits who freely chose life without God and thus by default became the alternative to God. (beliefs subject to change. )
jar writes:
Did you claim that hell "is used purely for revenge retribution and cruelty"?
If so, then even under your idea of what hell is, there is a purpose.
Huntard writes:
I'd say a place of eternal torment isn't moral, but it also isn't purposeless.
tangle writes:
Those that believe that their god is capable of condemning anyone to everlasting torment simply because they don't believe in him also believe that morality is what god says it is, not what we think it is.
Frako writes:
As a civilization evolves to a certain point .....
Assuming, of course, that a fully evolved civilization would have a standard. A consensus. A purpose. And an agreed upon morality.
Jon writes:
Does torture ever have a purpose?
There's never either time or occasion for such behavior.
Food for thought.

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