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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4453 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
intending to arouse fear. Id sue every religious organization in Australia saying you will go to hell if you dont follow Christ is an intent to arouse fear Frako, You are a cunning bastard. I believe you have proven my point in a most unexpected way. It would seem that the three great monotheistic religions are breaking the law. It is probably one of the greatest acts of intimidation of all time. And these threats are made to children. For some reason this act seems to be acceptable by the masses. Why does religion get a free hand to act outside the law? I wonder if it would work? I may start a thread... or you can as I dont want to steal the idea.
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4453 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
As a hat wearing man myself (I wear a fedora) I think that the no hat rule is silly for 2 reasons.
1. What possible harm can come from a hat. I could understand a no ninja star rule or a no pet bear rule. 2. men with manners remove their hats when they go inside anyway. I would pay to have a beagle with a bowler like development. seriously for a sec though, with that story, I was merely pointing out where laws that are designed to be as fair as possible to all people can fall down. The antidiscrimination laws were supposed to protect people like the Sikh, allowing him all freedoms given to any other citizen without question. Unfortunately, the law designed to treat everyone equally bit him in the arse.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
frako writes: Id sue every religious organization in Australia saying you will go to hell if you dont follow Christ is an intent to arouse fear. That isn't really what Christianity is about. Here is a quote from "The Great Divorce" by C S Lewis.
quote: Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I own no copyright to the idea so you just start a new thread if you want to id probably loose interest before an admin approves it
Frako, You are a cunning bastard. Thnx i do try my best
It would seem that the three great monotheistic religions are breaking the law. If that is the exact wording of the law then yes they are braking the law.
For some reason this act seems to be acceptable by the masses. Well the believers believe it and the none believers dont give a shit so they get a free pass as long as someone dosent stand up to them
Why does religion get a free hand to act outside the law? In most cases power and influence in this case the above statement is probably the cause.
I wonder if it would work? Technicaly it should work though you might try to consult a lawyer i studied economy so law was not a focus point though i did have a few classes on law.
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
That isn't really what Christianity is about. Here is a quote from "The Great Divorce" by C S Lewis. quote:There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, ‘Thy will be done,’ and those to whom God says, in the end, ‘Thy will be done.’ All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. You have 2 choices either do whatever i want or i kill you everyone who dies by my hand chooses it whiteout this choice all would have lived. No matter how you try to rap the whole going to hell part in nice words and charm it still says "Do what i want or suffer for eternity, the choice is yours" . Both statements are made to instill fear for the purpose of making someone do something that another wills. And that is braking the Australian law probably Slovenian law too id would have to check
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2728 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Frako.
frako writes: ...saying you will go to hell if you dont follow Christ is an intent to arouse fear. I don't think this line of reasoning is tenable or desirable in a legal system. For example, my son has a bad habit of throwing things at my daughter, and she often gets hurt. Since she can't even crawl yet, she has no way of defending herself. I have tried many ways of convincing my son that he shouldn't do this. Yet, the only thing that seems strong enough to protect my daughter from harm is my son's fear of spankings. In this case, arousing fear is the lesser of two evils. If I were to abstain from all threats with the intent of arousing fear, my daughter would likely suffer immensely. -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
If I were to abstain from all threats with the intent of arousing fear, my daughter would likely suffer immensely.
And who would suffer if religious institutions abstain from threats with the intent of arousing fear that will make them comply with their desires of what one should do or not do?
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
frako writes: You have 2 choices either do whatever i want or i kill you everyone who dies by my hand chooses it whiteout this choice all would have lived. No matter how you try to rap the whole going to hell part in nice words and charm it still says "Do what i want or suffer for eternity, the choice is yours" . Both statements are made to instill fear for the purpose of making someone do something that another wills. And that is braking the Australian law probably Slovenian law too id would have to check
I think you should go back to the quote by C S Lewis that you are responding to. Do you really think that those who choose hell, (because they prefer a world apart from God characterized by self interest), should be denied their choice and forced into eternity with God? Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Do you really think that those who choose hell, (because they prefer a world apart from God characterized by self interest), should be denied their choice and forced into eternity with God?
Yea a really good choice either serve god and praise him for all eternity do whatever he asks, or go to hell where you will be tortured for ever and ever and ever. No wait the choice is actually this you come to service every Sunday praise Jesus give money to our church or you will go to hell where you will be tortured for ever and ever and ever. If i put a gun to your face and demand money do your realy want to be denied the choice to give me your money willingly or should i just take it and not kill you. Telling someone something offul will happen if he does not do what you say is wrong and against the law If god dose not like it he should fight to change the law in the mean time his representatives the church are liable for threatening people in to doing what they will. How would you like it if i told your kid if he does not bow down to the grate chicken of peace in the sky and give him his allowance the grate chicken will torture him for ever and ever and ever in a fiery lake of fire where he will cry and cry and cry
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Fortunately in the US is is not only not against the law, it is protected speech.
We are fortunate that way. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
frako writes: Yea a really good choice either serve god and praise him for all eternity do whatever he asks, or go to hell where you will be tortured for ever and ever and ever. This is obviously your perceived view of Christianity but as a Christian it bears no resemblance to mine. One thing you might want to remember is that Jesus came as a servant king.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2728 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined: |
Hi, Frako.
frako writes: And who would suffer if religious institutions abstain from threats with the intent of arousing fear that will make them comply with their desires of what one should do or not do? Are you tacitly accepting my point that threats for the intent of arousing fear are not universally undesirable? -Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus) Darwin loves you.
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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Are you tacitly accepting my point that threats for the intent of arousing fear are not universally undesirable?
Wel not in every case but your example is just bad parenting , cant you get your kid to love your sister whiteout the threat of violence Well the law it self would be a better example if you do this you go to jail. But would it be ecceptable if i told your child that if he dosent give me his pocket money the all loving wombat in the sky will torture him for ever and ever? The difference i think is personal gain when you threaten your child you are protecting your other child when the state threatens us with jail they protect other peoples rights when the curch tells you you will go to hell it protects its income. A religious institution who would tell to their flock well you get to see god either way and go to heaven either way but do attend our services weakly please and do put some money in the collection plate just to make god happy would have a severely lower income then a church who says if you dont follow us you will go to the worst place possible after death if you do you will go to the best possible place. Its no different then a mugger who says your money or your life. The difference is the mugger actually has a gun religious institutions only have their fairy tales.
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Fortunately in the US is is not only not against the law, it is protected speech. We are fortunate that way. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Hmm i dont know of other acts does this mean that a religious institution can practice hate speech like a Christian church preaching all Scientologiests should be shot hung and burned ?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, shot, hung or burned might be considered exciting violence, but it would certainly be unlikely to end in a conviction. If they said "Should burn in hell forever." then it most certainly would be protected speech, thank God.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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