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Author Topic:   Religious tolerance and multiculturalism
ScientificBob
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Message 5 of 77 (622718)
07-06-2011 6:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Butterflytyrant
07-04-2011 10:44 PM


As an atheist, I agree. I think the present situation cannot be held in place indefinatly.
I expect the abrahamic religions to fade out (although I don't expect that to happen without some type of "end of life scream").
Superstition in general will not go anywhere. For some reason, people seem to be hellbend on believing quite silly things and I think we are all guilty of that one way or the other.
So I also expect new forms of blind faith to replace the old.
What bothers me at the moment though, is that, imo, we don't really have a "freedom of and from religion". The very fact that there is such a concept says enough for me.
For example, anybody is free to believe that life on earth is a reality TV show of an alien race who spy on us with nano-technology. But we don't have a concept of "freedom of believing crackpot theories". Precisely because there is actual freedom there both for the believer as well as the non-believer.
In a truelly secular society, religion would be a complete non-issue. This means that we shouldn't have explicit rules or restrictions about them (pro or contra). The normal laws apply and are more then enough:
- "no" to hate speech, bigotry, fascism, racism, and other forms of discrimination
- right of organising social groups/communities
Both of these provide the framework you need for organised religion that doesn't preach hatred to exist AND the right to choose not to be a part of it (in any way or form).
So as an atheist and a secularist, I'ld argue that we haven't quite reached that stage yet where we can speak of a truelly multi-cultural and secular society.
Funnily enough, the way I see it, these things will only be a reality the day they aren't the subject of specially tailored rules and regulations, but rather simply fall under the broader framework where everything else is subject to.
I look forward to the day when, officially, there is no difference between believing in the talking snake and alien anal probing.

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ScientificBob
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From: Antwerp, Belgium
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Message 42 of 77 (623123)
07-08-2011 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by frako
07-07-2011 4:31 PM


Re: Rights
The difference i think is personal gain when you threaten your child you are protecting your other child when the state threatens us with jail they protect other peoples rights when the curch tells you you will go to hell it protects its income.
I'ld disagree with that. This is just our view on it as non-believers. I think it's safe to assume that the people that actually believe this stuff say such things because they genuinly care. In their view, they are trying to protect the people they "threaten".
It seems like you are implying that there is some sort of conspiracy among church leaders to make people believe a 2000 year old fairy tale only to make money. I think such blanket statements are pretty counter-productive.
And to get this back on topic, I think that's also one of the reasons why the present situation will not be sustainable... because people ACTUALLY believe this stuff. It's just bound to hit a wall at some point. And the more radical the beliefs, the sooner a wall will be hit.

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