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Message 71 of 135 (513862)
07-02-2009 8:38 AM

Reply to: Message 70 by Brian
07-02-2009 2:51 AM

Re: Rev Bailed?

We have him out by the lake making Holy Water. Our supply had dwindled as we had an unusual number of Demons to melt.

Seriously, Brian! How are your classes going? Tell us a bit about what you do and what course titles you teach. It may prove enlightening for the Levites among us.

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Message 73 of 135 (513866)
07-02-2009 8:56 AM

Reply to: Message 5 by RevCrossHugger
06-28-2009 3:51 PM

One Question For Rev

purpledawn writes:

Your opening post still leaves the options of no god, one god, or many gods. You have not provided a line of reasoning that would explain why one option is any more valid than the other.

Opening Post by Rev writes:

I think religions are only attempts to assign attributes to the creator of the universe. We all worship the same God whether we know it or not! What I mean by that kind of blasphemous statement is best understood by a metaphor. Imagine a model (God) is being fitted for a suit of clothes (the religions) by freshmen student tailors at the local university.

Well after a few days all the students have their suites (religions) ready of the model (God) to try on. None fit perfectly, but some are nearly perfect. And the worst ones are like a potato sack! Well of course being a Christian I feel that my students suit fit’s the very best! The cut and style is nearly perfect.

So you see even though the other religions do not describe God more closely they are not as right as my religion is. I choose the Hebrew God (rather God chose me). I hope this makes some sense, although it won’t solve many problems perhaps it will shed some light on my beliefs.

Let me get this opening post straight. Can I rephrase it so as to best understand it?

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We all worship the same God whether we know it or not.

Evidently you are a monotheist.

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Imagine a model (God) is being fitted for a suit of clothes (the religions) by freshmen student tailors at the local university.

Thus these students are evidently also monotheists, as they are attempting to define God, rather than various gods.

Personally, I believe that there is one God. I believe that Jesus Christ was fully human while on earth and had no exclusive power apart from what God gave Him. God utilized Jesus as a human representation of His character. To me, Trinitarianism confuses the issues somewhat.

Granny Magda writes:

More than any other kind of religious belief, your kind of god is dependent on pure faith and your personal desire for a benign deity.

True. I will admit that God is essentially unknowable due to His complexity. If God exists,(which I believe He does) He is more than the explanation that our imaginations offer. The beauty of Jesus is that He made the process of understanding God easier. It is possible to fully know a human.

RevCrossHugger writes:

Don't get me wrong the bible is not a science book nor a history book etc, its a primarily manual on how to save ones soul, and a book to help the human race understand God.

A couple of questions. Our souls need saving because why, again?

Who do they need saving from?

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Message 74 of 135 (513868)
07-02-2009 9:01 AM

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07-02-2009 8:54 AM

Off topic sidenote to Brian

Brian writes:

What about yourself, still living in the dark?

I hang out in chat talking with jar on an almost endless repetitive basis. My beliefs have been challenged somewhat, and I am afraid to let go of many of my preconceptions, but I have come to believe that if God exists, it does not matter much anyway. If God is evil, none of us have a chance anyway, and if God is good, we still have no chance at true free will.

To go out on a limb, if God does not exist, I figure that I still need to try and do my best every day. Some days are better than others, however.

Edited by Phat, : changed title to more accurately reflect intention

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Message 77 of 135 (513873)
07-02-2009 9:12 AM

Reply to: Message 76 by Brian
07-02-2009 9:05 AM

Bible Unplugged

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If there's a god that wants to condemn decent honest people then it doesn't deserve our devotion.

Perhaps we are being tested. Perhaps God actually wants us to reject and ignore Him and if we do so yet remain decent people, we get to win the race, claim the prize, and retire. (of course this scenario is never mentioned in the Bible)

Perhaps we need a new Bible. Has anyone ever thought of writing one?
I would do so, but am horrible at writing things.

One question for you,mate. If you believe that people would be better off without organized religion, why do you feel it was your calling to teach it? Is it so that we can understand the past and, hopefully, not repeat the same mistakes?

By the way, RevCrossHugger, I have a question for you as well. If the Bible were rewritten today, reflecting our understanding of the way things are now, do you believe that God would approve or disapprove?

Edited by Phat, : improved topic, allowing for continued on topic discussion.

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